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@lerk@comm.network @ster @iamduck I'd argue the vast majority of times a gun is shot in america no one is injured or hurt. The vast majority of bullets shot are at targets for the sport of it with no harm coming from it.
As for hunting, well I'd say that is a far more ethical choice than eating farmed food (at least the animal lived a life int he wild before dying). Though I would love to see people never kill animals or humans again.
With that said I suspect a person addicted to heroin has a much higher chance of killing someone in their life time then a sober person with a gun. My uncle was a heroin addict and I came pretty close to being killed accidentally on several occasions (car accidents). On the flip side i have dozens of friends with guns and never once had a close call with my life or even an accident.
@ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Guns are also illegal for killing people too. Only time you can legally shoot someone with a gun is if they are about to kill you.
So in both the UK AND in the US guns are illegal to use in that fashion. The big difference is that in the UK if your about to be killed you have to sacrifice yourself and die since a handgun would be illegal. In the US you are allowed to save your own life by injuring the person trying to take it.
I'd say the US is the ones who got the morals right on that one.
@freemo
Ah. I didn't see quite what you meant. Still, the comparison is unhelpful.
Guns cause death. I don't want people to die. It's as simple as that for me.
I think we should end this discussion, since we have made our points and neither of us will change our mind.
@freemo
Do you really believe that's how it works in the UK?
In the UK, self defense of any nature is just as legal in the US. The difference is, way fewer people have guns. I can still fight back, including lethal force, and if I was to posess a gun for recreational or utility purposes and I believed I needed to use it, I could. But most people won't. And criminals struggle to get guns.
We don't have any concept of sacrificing ourself...
@lerk @iamduck
@freemo
Stop comparing drugs and guns. I compared suicide and drugs. The first two should not be compared.
Guns are not illegal in the UK for all of the recreational purposes you just outlined. The type of gun and the access to them is carefully restricted. They are not defence, and no one feels obliged to have one to feel safe in their home.
@lerk @iamduck