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@Jason_Dodd
I'm confused by this statement. As far as I know no one mentioned brown people or race in any regard. Did you mean to post that reply to some other thread. If not can you explain your remark?
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@Jason_Dodd
Ohhhh well there is some truth to that I think, its just "brown people" dont apply here because the people immigrating were from other European countries which by most definitions are as white as you can get. But yea there was a good portion that didnt like the immigration side of it.
But keep in mind why (not saying i agree, just understand the logic). Basically you have some countries which offer much better social services than others. The EU requires them to accept others from anywhere in the EU, including those from countries without that same level of social welfare.
What you see in a lot of countries (and the reason the netherlands wants to leave the EU in part) is that anyone who is in need of social assistance migrates to the countries with the most social welfare and all the people who make good money and dont want to pay high taxes move away to areas with less social welfare. As you can imagine this dynamic creates all sorts of economic hell and these countries now struggle to support their own populations let alone the immigrants.
In the netherlands you see this in the form of housing shortages even though houses that are vacant are given to low-income families. There just arent enough houses to go around and dutch people who have been on waiting lists forever get rejected so new immigrants can get a home. Obviously the poor and the rich alike here have issue with that and it is a big motivator for the Netherlands wanting to leave the EU too.
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We have similar problems on in various cities I guess. I always joke the solution is to stop paying everyone enough that they can pay high prices for housing :)
On a serious note, I'm seriously considering movie to a country with universal health insurance. So I guess I might soon enough be someone else's 'other'.
Me? I'm for eliminating all borders and treating everyone halfway decently because they're people.
Penty of money to go around.
Water? Maybe not.
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@Jason_Dodd
By the way I to agree with removing all borders, but I also recognize that if you do that then a welfare state simply can not function, not unless all countries become welfare states. You get what you see in the EU where people move to whatever region is most financially advantageous for themselves and the welfare states crash economically.
As for universal healthcare depending on how you personally define that (I'd be curious as not everyone knows what that means) then the netherlands and much of europe tends to have that. But keep in mind universal healthcare just means "we force everyone to have healthcare" it doesnt mean it is cheap or that welfare is given to those who cant afford it. So it is important to be specific. Generally healthcare in europe is far superior to america in terms of costs, the only big draw back is insanely long waiting times even for non-life threatening emergencies. I am here with a severe back injury and the wait every step along the way is on the order of months even in severe situations with simply remedies (in one case an injection would have fixed me).
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okay, so much to respond to here
@freemo I am def for universal healthcare and by that I mean free, universal, single-payer, tax-payer funded, healthcare for all *residents*. Yeah, regardless of citizenship status every human being has a right to the best healthcare available.
I'm sorry you have long wait times there and I'm sorry about your back. Those are critical problems that need to be addressed, but I'd still take that over poor ppl dying cause they can't afford insulin
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@freemo so the idea that generational wealth and capitalist exploitation dictates access here is revolting to me. I understand these are difficult, expensive things to resolve, but I'd rather pay 80% in taxes than for any human to be without housing, food, or healthcare.
As far as borers, yes, they should not exist. Also a single state to rule then all is def not the only way :P This is why I'm an anarchist
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@freemo I believe that we should have immediate, local representation that is established by direct democracy, and councils that collaborate at higher levels to craft agreements at a larger scale.
Political systems rooted in hierarchy, concentration of power, and unequal / unjust / disproportionate influence and representation are both pervasive and clearly flawed. Ppl need to have an immediate connection to, and involvement with, decision-making that affects them
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@freemo @dch @slackz I happen to be in the health insurance business advocating for its elimination :)
It's not simple but I see problems in current systems as things to fix rather than reasons avoid a single payer system.
In this country, one serious illness not causing death can cause financial ruin to the point you might wish you had died. Shouldn't be that way. That's just one example. There are many things related to private insurance systems which shouldn't be that way.
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@Jason_Dodd @freemo @dch lol yeah, it's almost like ppls' very survival shouldn't be tied to a soulless industry of corporate monsters who would rather see their share prices rise than cancer patients continue to have access to their meds
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US big pharma execs absolutely need to die in a fire
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@freemo @dch @slackz Obviously removing borders to me would come with One Government to Rule Them All :)
But that wouldn't eliminate the issue of desirable places and the lack of space therein. We have that in the US, too. And we have states that are better in terms of social services.
I'm in favor of another layer of government at the world level which includes no laws preventing one from moving anywhere in the world.
Agreeing on laws of such a body should be easy, right?