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@pschwede
I appreciate your thoughts so far, thank you
Well sure there are tons of books. I'm not interested in books im curious about your thoughts. but i mean its cool if your just no longer interested in the topic too. Also fair if your just not sure.
As for best judgment, while i agree you can be wrong and that can be costly, what could possibly have a better chance of getting it right than ones "best judgment"...
I mean in my mind you have two choices, kill or not kill. One will do more good than the other. You are required to pick one. So what can we do other than use "best judgment" to minimize harm in the choosing.
Anyway, at this point we are probably beating a dead horse. But please if you have anything else to add feel free.
@freemo You could consider not to devide but to agree that both sides are valid in point of perspective. So what could be else possible if you consider this. Like, there are choices who turn out fine and which that don't. So maybe it's just a matter of selection which arguments are be seen as valid. Nobody can tell the future how things turn out, you just act on experience with similar situations. Should a highly depressive individual be allowed to kill itself if there are so called treatments?
@mundauf I agree both points are valid potentially. I think im just not entierly clear what @psychwede is arguing for. Which is why i keep pressing. I think, but I may be wrong, that his premise is something like "we cant know the consequence of our actions and thus shouldnt act". If that is the case it doesnt seem prudent. But im not trying to disagree with him, just press him for a the detail so i could better understand his stance.
But to answer your question.. should someone be allowed to kill themselves if there are treatments.
Well for me this goes slightly beyond topic because of the word "allowed". I think what is allowed isnt exactly the same as what is moral.
For example I believe in body autonomy. To that means the right to choose what happens to your body, good or bad, is yours alone. So by that logic id argue that even if it is not moral to allow someone to kill themselves they should still be allowed to do so.
But i could also simply argue that body autonomy, even if it fails in individual cases, is critical for a moral populous as a whole. So I could argue that int he big picture it would still be the more moral law to pick.
@freemo Yes morality. I picked that, let's call it case study, because it's the edge we are dealing right now when it comes to debates about war, death penalty, abortion, and suicide or the right to die on you own terms. I think maybe we have to adjust our moral by admitting that we do harm each other because everybody has good intentions. And feels free to to what he wants because he can argue.
I don't know of this leads us to something, but I would like to have a try.