@inditoot

It's much indeed but still, look at all the hosted data?

@freemo

@snder @freemo

There are three project
Mastodon
Web client
PeerTube (that is down)

What data you are seeing other than this?

@inditoot
Our cost comes almost entierly from the masto side right now. Cost of indexing virtually the entire fediverse.

@snder

@inditoot
The cost is almost entierly due to a massive federation footprint on #QOTO. We keep full federation history, index federated toots, and federate with the vast majority of the fediverse.
As a result the database for Masto alone is many terrabytes large and growing rather quickly. Takes a lot of processing power to index the entire fediverse.

@snder

@freemo @snder

Hmm A dedicated server cost around 50 USD additional drive can be added for 20 USD for 10TB.

How much you are paying for server and which host you are using?

Mastodon.host also host quite alot of project, it would be aweomse if someone ask gled about cost.

@inditoot @snder The server itself is 120$ its the large server, dedicated option through mastodon.host actually (he helps us on day-to-day maintenance, we modify the source ourself and do the testing ourselves).

Then there is about an extra $60 in backup and storage costs. We have multiple-redundant backup.

@freemo

Hmm.. wow! It still is a lot of money:O but I certainly like the setup❤️ If you want something done good and the right way it’s gone cost.

quey, Sinblr & pixfed combined costs me about €100 a month

@inditoot

@snder
If we reduced redundancy on backups and did not index the whole fediverse I could probably get it well below $100. But its important to me to make this a professional setup.

@inditoot

@freemo

Yeah totally! If I would have the funds I would also do it that way, I mean I can’t compare my setup against your professional one haha!

I just started about a half year ago with the setup of Mastodon, I had some experience with CLI but not much.. Luckily I’m a fast learner 🤓

@inditoot

@snder @freemo

You use S3 for media or local server?
And backup is complete backup including media or just Database?

@inditoot
We used to use S3for redundancy. Cost us 600$ a month total cost when we did that. We recently moved ourbackups which brought the price closer to 200$

@snder

@freemo

With Amazon, wasabi or any other?

@inditoot

@snder
See my other response to the both of you.

@inditoot

@freemo @snder

Where you moved your backup? Sorry for asking too much questions but I also want a setup like your in near future

I recommend running a local server with alot of hard drive with raid setup this will help you alot in reducing the cost.

@inditoot
First line backup is wasabi. Then it will be disceminated back to S3 again but this time through a seperate server that will locally zip it first. This should eliminate the costs with S3 since we were backing it up without zipping first (we didnt want to load the server).

@snder

@freemo

That’s a smart line of defense! Clever to zip it indeed! What about remote media? Do you clean it or keep it and build an archive?

@inditoot

@snder
So far it is all being kept for robust and complete searches.

@inditoot

@freemo @snder

You run a relay?

@inditoot
Not yet but thats one of the things im working on bringing up as part of the new ecosystem

@snder

@freemo @inditoot

There are so many projects that can be added! But I’m wondering.. is there going to be a ‘central point’ like a name under which all this action takes place?

Kinda what farmblabla.org does! That France thingy with all things included what looks like sh*t, excuse my language haha

@snder @freemo

Yeah choose a org name and run everything under it.

Yes its possible like that framblabla.org hahaha but man they got some connections with org to fun those project

@inditoot

Ah, is that so? It’s cool how they’ve build all in one but it’s not really nice branded.. And that’s the fun part :p

@freemo

@snder @freemo

Yeah, design is really shitty but it's the fund that is the fun part 😅

@snder
Yup We have a whole organizational structure of things going up around this. Cleverthis.com will be the parent company that mostly donates its profits into QOTO. Qoto will be the non-profit that will host all the various collaboration and hosting services for everyone. One component in that will be mastodon. But I want to make the other services (for example gitlab) unified under the same login. So it will appear as though it is one service.

I also have several other companies that will fall under cleverthis.com but that is unrelated to this conversation.

@inditoot

@freemo

Ah cool! That’s what I was looking for 🙂 I love it, very nice organized and structured. And under what company will we do our work? Cleverthis or QOTO?

@inditoot

@snder
Well that depends on just what parts you want to get involved in. You have experience with the fediverse so helping out the Qoto side would be great, but its non-profit so probably not the most benefit to you if you arent also a part of the other projects (which i didnt mention in this thread). So really just depends on what you want to help with and how high of a priority it is for you to come out of it making some money.

In my mind the other projects under cleverthis.com are all enhanced and improved by what Qoto will offer. In fact I plan to make Qoto the place where the projects are hosted (as they are all mostly open-source).

So ideally youd be involved int he whole cleverthis.com universe, including qoto, that will be the best way to ensure youll benefit when the commercial part of the venture starts paying off. Plus with Qoto being non-profit at least we can feel like we are giving back at the same time.

Thats my thinking anyway, ultimately where you get involved and to what extent will be largely up to you and what you want to get out of all this.

@inditoot

@snder @freemo

Hmm I thought to run alternative under one umbrella (need to think of a name)

Mastodon
Chat (matrix)
Moodlenet
Peertube

@inditoot

S3 is for media, I also make backups with DigitalOcean, I manually backup the database, the .env and the redis db

@freemo

@snder
You've done a great job with what you got :)

@inditoot

@freemo

Thank you! That means a lot! 👼

@inditoot