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@Liberty4Masses Oh of course, yes please feel free to keep it private if you wish. No worries.
Mises Hayek proved nothing of the sort. They and others have shown plenty of flaws in keysian economics of course. But thats not what we are discussing. We arent discussing economic models or if they are possible. We are talking about looking at a simple investment and determining if it makes us money or not. THAT is trivial and easy to do. Any philosophy about economic models is completely unrelated to what that process would be. In fact for EVERY economic model we have determining your ROI is essentially the same exact process.
@Liberty4Masses Well now that we agree that the actual argument i made earlier as to when to build a road or not is trivial to do the math on, just calculate ROI lets address your other points.
I agree government is pretty damn inefficient. Current governments are shit and they would waste a ton of money. Particularly if they do the work themselves rather than privatise it. No argument there.
There is a BIG difference between who will do the work efficiently (the answer is not government, agreed) vs who will PAY for it. Thats what we are really talking about. Whi will be willing to put up the money they have control over to fix problems that are needed and benefit everyone. Government sorta sucks at that too, but the general population sucks at that aspect way WAY more.
After all I can easily look at the road network in a country where the government pays for it in taxes and contrast that to areas where governments pay little or nothing on roads (or where no governments exist at all). I can then compare these to and ask myself, which has the economy that thrives the most from their road system. That answer will always be the one built by governments right now.
That doesnt mean there isnt a problem. They will waste money, and probably spend more to build it. There are ways we can address this and should. But its clear when we look at the no-government option it doesnt solve the underlying problem either. So we need something that is different than either of these.
@freemo @Liberty4Masses So *why* wouldn't any corporations or other ngo's go about building flat stretches of asphalt to drive over? Do you have an explanation for that?
@freemo I’m not arguing that government bureaucracies can look at a city that generates a billion dollars a month in tax revenue and determine that it would be financially beneficial to the government to build a $10 million road to it. Any fool could do that on a macro-level. But gov is incapable of doing any of this more efficiently than market actors, by a significant factor. This is what Mises, Hayek, & others have shown. If you disagree then you believe central planning is optimal.