OMFG.. Is Donald Duck Trump REALLY this FUCKING STUPID?!

Like the internet and social media are the cause of the shootings.. DUMBASS it's the FUCKING GUN LAW..

WAKE UP SUCKER!

#DonaldTrump #asshole

@snder Both statements are wrong. it isn't gun law nor is it social media. There is more then enough evidence to debunk either of these claims.

@freemo Could be but I can't see ANYTHING positive about the gun law.. It's just so plain stupid.. How can more guns be safe?

What's your opinion about the guns in the US?

@snder More guns arent the solution, neither are less guns.

One anecdotal interesting fact (not a real point here).. the only time ive been anywhere near a mass shooting was int he Netherlands. In my 30+ years in america one never happened in my town before.

But to answer your question it really depends on how we frame the question. But there are many reasons why, at least in theory, more guns could be better, and many reasons why it could be worse. The real question we should be asking ourselves is: what does the data say?

@freemo @snder
In the USA there were 40.000 (about 50% suicide) deaths caused by fire arms in 2017, compared to 900 (almost 100% suicide) in Germany in the same year. https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/usa-schusswaffen-tote-101.html

@honigdachse
The right to suicide is a natural and illaniable right as far as I'm concerned. While I do think we should strive to provide mental health facilities and other means to help encourage people not to choose suicide, in the end that is their right, as is everyones right to self determination. As such I see this as an argument FOR guns not against it. If it provides a more effective means of suicide than drinking bleech and perhaps a means that is less traumatic to the person attempting it then by all means, they have that right, as sad as i t might be.

@snder

@freemo @snder Sure, I'm not against that. What about the 20.000 dead people that were not involved in a suicide or mass shooting?
Also, the suicides may have been prevented with proper treatment and that's not killing yourself with a gun. Which won't work all the time either...

@honigdachse @snder Yea the suicide could have been prevented in some cases. But ultimately having the right to self determination also means having the right to choose if you wish to seek therapy first or skip right to suicide. While I think it is foolish to skip right to suicide it is still their right.

As for the other people who died from guns for other reasons. That is very tragic. What about them exactly? Are you asking me if its sad people died or something more specific. It is most certainly sad.

@freemo @snder There are better and safer ways to kill yourself. I think overdosing on heroine or some other drug will make it way more comfortable.
Killing yourself with a gun or in another drastical and violent way is often a very sudden decision that is not planned beforehand and could be prevented.

Yeah, and the other 10.000 humans died because of stupid accidents with guns or just "normal" violence.

@honigdachse
Well ifyou want to talk accidents instead od suicides, sure. Again if someone buys a gun they know the risks. They are making that choice and have ever right to work with dangerous things that put their life at risk if they want. That is hardly an argument agains tit any more than its an argument against making scuba diving illegal (a dangerous sport).

Now i would agree there is a concern if someone has a gun and is irresponsible putting OTHER people at risk. But thats simple, make such behavior illegal (as it already is. If someone, for example, points a gun at someone in a joking way (prone to accident) this is illegal and would cause someone to go to jail most likely.

Point is NONE of this is a valid argument against guns or anything else that causes accidents often.

@snder

@freemo @snder Turns out: Most irresponsible persons start out responsible.
But that's certainly checked for if you buy a gun! And then every year again if you own a gun. That would be resonsible, wouldn't it?

@honigdachse
We dont check to see if people are responsible with most things (though i do agree in non-reverse searchable gun licenses that can not be denied to anyone who passes).

Whart it means is once someone starts to show signs that they are becoming irresponsible, as in they act irresponsibly with a gun, then we arrest them. Thats what I said. If you go around town acting irresponsible with a gun, you immediately get arrested (if people are doing their job) and any actual injury would be prevented in many caases.

Same thing we do with knives. Anyone can buy a knife, but if you start walking around outside with it and brandishing it in peoples faces you will get arrested and loose the right to hold it.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable way to treat it.

@snder

@freemo @snder Of course, that's one way of doing it.
I, and some other people, like to prevent things like these before they happen at all because the reason to own a fire arm or a big knife will disappear at the same time.

@honigdachse
As well you should. Sadly most attempts at doing so resulted in more deaths not less. But yea if you ever actually figure out a way that prevents the problem without causing more damage than good by all means, lets implement it.

@snder

@freemo @snder The way that works is implemented in many countries for a long time and causes way less deaths.

@honigdachse Im a professional statistician who has delved pretty deep into this topic. Not sure what your talking about. Most countries who have attempted to implement anti-gun laws have had some pretty severe ramifications from that.

Worked in what way exactly, you have to be specific if i am to consider your point.

@freemo Please show your studies that prove that we have more deaths caused by guns in Germany than in the USA. I won't argue with that again if you can prove that.