So apparently they're trying to organize a global strike for the #environment in September. This time with adults.
https://globalclimatestrike.net/
#ClimateChange #ClimateStrike
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@stevenroose A strike as "a refusal to work organized by a body of employees as a form of protest, typically in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions from their employer."... Who is the employer here, who are the employees, and what exactly is their demands?
I support any organization for climate change but it depends on these details of course. I see Greta's picture on the front of the page which instantly has me concerned of the direction and ethics. She took a pretty damaging stance/response to address climate change so I'd be hesitant to support this specific movement, though perhaps im wrong, im willing to hear more.
@freemo
Not a strike in the employer-employee sense. But in a citizen/government sense, like "a refusal to work organized by a body of citizens as a form of protest, in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions from their government".
It's a good initiative to give leaders a mandate to take more fierce action against pollution. Only they can solve this crisis and they keep using the excuses that there is no political support for stronger action. We show then there is.
@stevenroose In general I can get behind that. So the idea is the citizens refuse to go to work, any work, until the government does what we demand? What do we demand? Are the people really prepared to be out of work that long? Because i doubt the governments will cave so we are talking a lot of people out of work for a long time.
Aside from Greta herself I like what im hearing so far.
@freemo
I don't think the idea is to stop working the entire week. But to urge local communities to organize strikes/protests on days within that week and for local workers to join those.
Correct me if I'm wrong though. I'm curious to see if there'll be any protests where I'm living and I'll gladly join them.
@stevenroose I'd join them to. Only thing that would cause me not to join them is if Greta was a spokesperson for them or otherwise endorsed by them. Otherwise I support it.
@freemo
What's wrong with Greta?
@stevenroose Mostly that she takes an anti-education stance which to me is more damaging than an anti-climate stance.
Saying "I want to bring awareness to climate by encouraging everyone to boycott education/school every friday" sounds extremly harmful. It would be like an educator bringing awareness to education by saying "I want to bring awareness to education by encouraging people every friday to dump toxic waste into their local river"
Encouraging something harmful to the community as a form of protest against something harmful to the community is a failed tactic.
@freemo @stevenroose
I'm not aware she is against education.
Liking a climate-change post on FB or retweeting a tweet about it, is about the extend to which 'protest' has been done so far.
As has become painfully obvious, that hasn't changed a single thing. What will cause representatives to get into action is massive societal disruption.
Kids are teaching the adults here.
An argument I've heard from kids: what's the point of education if there isn't a livable world to apply that knowledge.
If they want to protest it then why get out of school why not go on the weekends to show us they are really committed. If they are taking off school its kind of negating any good they do. When I was a kid if I could get an excuse to get a day off school I would.
I'm sorry I just cant respect that message.
@freemo @stevenroose
I've heard that argument before and I see some truth in that.
Gilets Jaunes are STILL protesting every saturday/weekend. When was the last time you heard about that? What have they achieved?
Doing things in the weekend doesn't cause societal disruption because no one is negatively affected by it. Politician/representatives can ignore that indefinitely.
Then why not disrupt society on the weekends. They can all go march on their local government and do something disruptive like storm in on their politicians... the SS couldn't stop little kids right? It would go noticed at least, they wouldn't arrest them!
I dont care what, something disruptive, something good, but ont he weeekends, or after school or whatever.
I listed an exampled in my last reply of how they could negatively affect people after school and ont he weekend. They get out, what, 2. go straight to .a disruptive protest after school each day. Depending onw hee they live they may even have access to city hall. Go disrupt there from 2 - 6 every day!
they have options.
I reject your hypothesis that you cant be disruptive after school and on the weekends.
@freemo
We can agree to disagree.
I don't see how your example is even near disruptive, unless violent and I'm against that.
I've heard your argument by almost any politician who is hell bound on not doing anything (Australian PM f.e.). You know, just like nothing has happened in the last decade(s).
When the economy grinds to a standstill due to a global strike, businesses and governments lose money. Turns out, THAT is what is causing them to change course.
Well hold on, lets be honest. Here is what SHOULD. Happen. Our children shouldnt need to stand up for us at all. We should put them in school where they belong while WE take off work once a week to protest or some shit.. But of course we wont do that will we (well you might, i mean humans, adults, everuone :) )
**Thats's** really my stance!
@freemo
Well, that is their argument all along!
While we 'adults' like to bring up the argument that we 'do it for our children (and our children's children), we consistently haven't done anything (substantial) to fight climate change which is an existential thread to our world.
It is actually quite sad that children have to teach the adults that. Quite logically, as they will experience all the bad things that will come from our in-action.
@freemo
Government doesn't work on weekend either, does it?
@FreePietje
@freemo @stevenroose
I can repeat my previous argument:
Doing things in the weekend doesn't cause societal disruption because no one is negatively affected by it.
I can also do it in all caps if that helps.
Storming into politicians sounds violent and the most we heard about Gilets Jaunes when there was violence.
Violence has seldom brought anything good.