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Twitter is basically just a worse version of Facebook where all the users are replaced with bots.
Meanwhile everyone thinks it is better simply because there is less drama because no one is real.
I'll take the quality interactions of the Fediverse anyday over that.
I'd like to see more people like that use fedi, but, it's just really very small, and the convoluted shadowban structure frustrates attempts to use it this way. Also, PM usage is frustrated from lack of frontend UX.
Therefore, I don't agree that fedi has higher quality interactions, or even that it can outside of local extrema. Principally I think its best use case is cuteposting.
@fluffy Thats exactly what I'm talking about though. Most people who are there arent there to be themselves they are there to sell themselves as a brand, or are a brand themselves.
The academic on twitter sound more like politicians in how they conduct themselves than living breathing humans. Their mindset is to get followers and behave in a way that will make them popular, not in a way that actually reflects their personality.
Thats the very issue to me, it feels like one big advertisement, sometimes of your personal brand sometimes not. But never people being themselves really.
yes, but you can blame cancel culture for this. Look at what happened to rms. So I don't think you can get this sort of living breathing human being interaction in any public platform with strong identity.
> Most people ... a brand themselves.
sure but i think this is not the source of the formality you mention.
> But never people being themselves really.
Isn't this something that comes up even in personal chats?
Perhaps the only reason people on here are real and genuine is because they are called bloblobster or puniqt and if there is some meltdown you can just walk away. Not so if you are using a strong identity.
@fluffy While it may be counter culture to blame, or any other number of factors. Who or what is to blame is less of concern to me than what is or is not. The truth is, the qualities I describe are inherent to twitter regardless of blame, and are far less evident in the fediverse or Facebook. Reasons to avoid the platform even if the company isnt to blame for the effect.
Yea people being "fake", in the sense of trying to put on a political front (usually called being professional) is something you can see in any context. But it is far worse in twitter than other mediums. Its a matter of degrees not absolutes.
As for identity. You can pick any identity on twitter you wish, just as you can here. Neither platform requires you to identify yourself.
I wonder if twitter was like fedi in its early days.
@fluffy I think the difference comes from two main factors.
1) larger word count here, so no need for people to talk in useless sound bytes, it encourages real dialogue.
2) Twitter is something like 90%+ fake accounts I forget the exact number but it was huge. Which drives people into an artificial popularity contest. Here follower count is genuine and often not something people care too much about.
Generally agree. One question.
>here follower count is genuine
is it though? I know for a fact that I have many duplicate followers. To wit: on FSE I have 400 followers, but 10% of that is just @sjw alts. Most people have several alts, so I would not be surprised if real user count is somewhere between 2-4x smaller. 25% is not that much larger of a number than 10%.
There is a big difference between non-posting bot accounts purchased for fake followers that make up some 90% of many users follower count, and what you describe.
Simply put someone being active in two places occasionally (no idea what percentage it is but its a minority) is not a "fake" user. It simply means there is a bit of an overlap.
REgardless though if your talking about individual breathing humans then yes the number will be a bit smaller for some people here. But its a small minority compared to twitter where it seems to be a rather large minority on many accounts.
I should also say your 10% expiernce is likely unique to you. I can only think of one or two people in my follower count that I am aware of that are alts of users on another account. The actual number may be higher but its not something I personally witness very often.
I think it varies greatly on the way you use the server and the sort of account you use. On servers like blob.cat and FSE I would imagine the vast majority of users have alts because of the shit-posting highly-blocked nature of those servers. However on most general purpose instances in the fediverse like M/S, QOTO, etc the vast majority of users are active in only one place I'd say.
I don't think this is an accurate depiction, although I suppose it would be the propaganda popular in many of these weird paranoid instances which block blob.cat
Probably it is simply that people are more technically proficient and open to experimentation, and less looking for "a twitter but x is different", but rather actually want a federated microblog.
I frankly I hold the sort of people who would block fse and blob.cat in utter contempt.
The block part of the comment was directed more at FSE than blobcat.. blobcat is more about shitposting it seems. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it does lend to people having alt accounts more.
I do not myself approve of instances that block FSE or blobcat. But FSE is certainly highly blocked, sadly.
@sjw@neckbeard.xyz
One guy on KF said they had some on masto the cancel instances but a week or two ago he told me he closed them because it's just boring there. But KF is not FSE we probably don't have more than two mutual active users.
