@sillystring @freemo I guess voting for a third option is always better than sitting out. It signals that you're malcontent with the broken 2-party system.
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When I see good third party candidates I do and will vote for them. I vote for who is best. So far not a single competent third party candidate has stood up yet though. So unless that changes I'm in a pickle
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During the Hillary Primaries I was a big Bernie supporter. I thought his policies were horrific but I was willing to give him my support because I beleived he had integrity.
Then when the superdelegates screwed him over and a very evil lady (Hillary) won I was pissed. But then I saw Bernie support the democratic party and even lend his support to Hilary. To see him support someone so corrupt and guilty of almost constant lying caused me to realize he did not have the integrity I thought he had. In that moment he guaranteed I would always vote against him in any future election.
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@freemo @sillystring I think that's quite a silly standpoint. What should he have done? He had probably 2 main options: support Hillary and maximize the chances the democrats, his party, would win the election or totally go against his party which would quite ensure Trump's victory and jeopardize any chance he has left to become the presidential nominee for the party in a future election.
I don't think he can be blamed for handling the incredibly shitty situation the Dem. Party put him in.
@freemo @sillystring I think that's quite a silly standpoint. What should he have done? He had probably 2 main options: support Hillary and maximize the chances the democrats, his party, would win the election or totally go against his party which would quite ensure Trump's victory and jeopardize any chance he has left to become the presidential nominee for the party in a future election.
I don't think he can be blamed for handling the incredibly shitty situation the Dem. Party put him in.
Well part of the problem is that he has party loyalty, rather than personal integrity. The fact that he would support a corrupt lying politician for the sake of party loyalty is disgusting to me.
If he cares more about winning an electrion than doing what is right then he already lost in my mind.
PErsonally if he had called out the immoral behavior of his party and became an independent then he would have had my vote thats for sure. Would it have lost him the election in the future, yea probably, but therein lies the problem, having integrity often means you wont win the election, which is exactly why we dont have presidents with integrity.
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You have to keep in mind, hands down the biggest thing that needs fixing in the USA political seen is the polarization. The people sticking to party lines for the sake of unity rather than acting on their own conscious.
I want candidates who arent afraid to call out their party, the ones who only occasionally if at all vote down party lines.
So Bernie has shown that he embodies the most toxic principle in US politicis and as such has lost the support from me he once had.
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@freemo @sillystring Which is why you better vote for the candidate with the least bad integrity. You can't compare not abandoning the party with what others have done. No other current democratic candidate abandoned the party either when Hilary won.
I aree, you should. Sadly thats clearly not Biden, Warren, or Bernie
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@freemo @sillystring I can't help but think you're being ridiculous with that position.
When it comes to integrity, being truthful to what you preach and honestly planning to try their best to fulfill every campaign promise made, Bernie is clearly ahead of other candidates.
And as a pragmatist, it's understandable that he sometimes has to defend the Dem party in matter he might not fully agree with, because the party is his only chance to get his ideas into the White House.
A strong Sanders campaign would be anathema to such a proposition. Between the Veritas piece the other day, the obvious CNN/Warren collusion against him, and the impeachment keeping him off the campaign trail for 2-8 weeks to avoid conflict of interest, it's obvious that he's being set up to fail by the DNC, which could lead to the backlash from Sanders supporters that Jurek talked about.
I really doubt that. The Democrats are dumb and crooked but I don't think they are quite stupid enough to try and pull that. If they did I dont think anyone would be on board at this point.
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@freemo @anornymorse @sillystring Haha, I volunteer to be the escrow arbiter. We can make a 2-of-3 Bitcoin address where you guys both deposit your bet.
@anornymorse @freemo @sillystring I'm sure browser's have plug-ins that do that. Open a tab after a certain time.
I actually see Bernie as having very little integrity, I disagree, not that any of them have any. But I would argue that Bernie's integrity is higher than warren and Biden, marginally so, and even Trump. but his catastrophic policies make that marginal lead in integrity rather meaningless to me at this point. In the past I saw him as having significant integrity, enough to outweight his bad policies, but I no longer see that as the case.
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@freemo @sillystring I think that's quite a silly standpoint. What should he have done? He had probably 2 main options: support Hillary and maximize the chances the democrats, his party, would win the election or totally go against his party which would quite ensure Trump's victory and jeopardize any chance he has left to become the presidential nominee for the party in a future election.
I don't think he can be blamed for handling the incredibly shitty situation the Dem. Party put him in.
@freemo @sillystring I can believe it's hard to motivate people to join a party of which you know it will never have much relevance, though.
I was recently imagining that if Bernie gets bamboozled by the Dem Party again, he could start a new socialist party to shake things up a bit :) That'd be fun to watch..