@sjw It's so funny because everything they say is actually quite racist: the idea that black Americas don't have access to the Internet, that the majority of them are poor and therefore do not own cars (or own but not legally drive cars with a license, because they can't get access). This may have been true a long time ago, but access to state ID is no longer costly or difficult.
@mewmew @matrix @djsumdog @sjw
While I'm very strongly for voter ID requirements at the same time I do recognize the real reason people are against them, and its simple.. IDs cost money, time and effort to get. So the poor and homeless are less likely to be able to vote. This tends to effect minority communities more strongly than others.
The solution in my mind is simple. Make IDs free and offer better services for people to go through the hoops needed to obtain them, but doing away with vote IDs all together seems like the wrong way to go.
I agree though, letting people who are not citizens vote is not the motive in the least.
@mewmew @matrix @sjw @freemo but let's face it, this isn't Europe. If you're a member of the working poor, in most of America, you're driving. You need an ID to buy alcohol, apply for a lot of state benefits .. one of the services a lot of homeless and day centers provide is helping people get their IDs (the one in my home town has an Social Security person come in weekly to help people; she even got her own office). I don't think ID is as big a barrier today as before.
Well thats not an argument against IDs its an argument for ensuring any ID law is inclusive of all types of photo ID, and as I said we need to make these free and accessible to make it work, which these laws never do. So while I support the laws in theory there must be other changes that happen first.