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I find it ironic that most people see europe as more liberal than the USA yet most people I know who move there are staunch conservatives who move there because the policies they care about and the people themselves are overall **less** liberal than the USA.
It seems very few people even realize that by many measures europe is more conservative rather than liberal. A prime example of this would be the taxation scheme which in much of europe has a lower ratio between the poor and the rich classes (closer to flat tax).
@freemo Which policies you have in mind? I think that both economic and political policies of Europe are much more liberal than in USA (there are some exceptions and mostly in eastern europe, [hello Poland!]).
Why is taxation scheme example of liberality? I would say its not about how much one taxes rich vs poor, but about how that taxed money is then distributed.
@vnarek
Well its important to understand what liberal and conservative mean. I think they tend to be inaccutate terms since liberal generally is used to refer to neoliberals specifically. In other words liberal is generally used as a synonym for democratic socialism. The primary principles of liberalism and socialism is a large degree of government regulation and oversight as well as using taxation to redistribute wealth from the rich. Conservatism generally has at its central point the opposite, minimal government regulation and intervention and relying on free markets.
Taxation is relevant as the usa has a more progressive tax scheme, that ia, a scheme intending to put a higher tax ratio between poor and rich in an attempt to redistribute wealth.
We find the same pattern in other areas. Europe is generally much more noninterventionist when it comes to foreign affairs, which again is along the lines of small governance associated with the right.
@freemo Wikipedia defines liberal as someone who is for free economy without goverment interventions + individual rights/equality.
From what you said earlier I deduced that you are using liberalism as synonym for social democracy and used your definition in my last answer.
It is not about tax collection, but distribution. Taxes that are collected in europe are distributed via strong welfare systems for health care, education, and social funding. USA does not really have this kind of safety nets.
@vnarek Another point, while the USA is lower than most of europe in terms of percentage of GDP spent on welfare, it is very very close, as to be almost marginal.
For example the USA spends 19.3% of its GDP on welfare and social programs, switzerland however spends only 19.7%.
So this argument is fairly weak considering how marginally different the two are.
@freemo These stats prove my point. USA has 300 million citizens. Compare that to Switzerland with only 8 million.
@vnarek Irrelevant, the numbers I cited were **percentages** of GDP, meaning it was already normalized for population.
If you look in terms of raw money the USA pays **many** orders of magnitude more than switzerland for social programs. We dont use that measure specifically because, as you say, we need to normalize for population.
As I pointed out once you factor in the difference in population the spending on welfare programs are nearly identical.
@freemo Yeah you are right I misunderstand those numbers.