@penny Yes I think thats a good definition. Can you also, therefore, see why your own responses (particularly those earlier in the thread) also would be tone deaf to my own perceptions and the people who feel as I do?

There are a lot of people trying to say what I am saying.. many have no racist tendencies of any kind, and are often being called racist for even daring to include general police brutality in the issue (as it effects all races)..

The problem as I see it, many of the ALM people arent listening the the BLM side of things. Which is why it is important for me to highlight when i talk about this that blacks are absolutely suffering 2x - 3x more.. but at the same time the BLM side arent really listening to the ALM side who are claiming we have all been abused by cops and there is a sense of unity in that because we have a common enemy and that message is important to spread too...

Instead all I see is ALM hating BLM and BLM hating ALM and frankly their both tone deaf to the other and from my perspective at their core (when you remove the bad apples using those terms) they are both positive messages that should be side-by-side against a common problem.

@penny Oh dont worry I didnt mean to imply that **you** were accusing me of racism. Your fine, you are a bit harsh in your tone, but this is just an emotional and passionate issue for you. I think that abrasiveness may not always serve you well but in my case I am understanding of it, no worries.

I was really just speaking more to the general audience than you specifically. While I would say your interpretation of the other side was a bit tone deaf to their cries, you were not offensive, your good.

@penny

I personally use "Every Life Matters" as my phrasology. but in the example I gave i was talking about the ALM people who generally are ignorant and insensitive to BLM, so it was fitting, even if there may be some positive aspect to their message underneath the garbage.

@SuperDicq

@penny

To be fair your expiernces are likely biased by the circles you are in.

While I do agree there are examples where the phrase was tainted by bad actors I would not say the vast majority of people who use the phrase are racist.. some perhaps. Most just seem to want a more encompassing phrase that represents racial unity and solidarity among all races. That has largely been how it has been used when I see it used first-hand. But even my expiernces are likely biased too.

@SuperDicq @kino

@kino

I would add as a phrase its origins are quite old as well. People have been using that phrase for at least hundreds of years.

But it was co-opted by some bad actors so I have no objection to switching up the phrase if it prevents misunderstanding. "Every Life Matters" seems a better choice all around to me as it doesnt appear as a derrivative of BLM anyway, so less likely to be seen as oppositional to it.

@penny @SuperDicq

@kino

Perhaps, but by virtue of the fact that it is not derivative of BLM itself there is a stronger argument for it as a separate idea that is not defined in relation to BLM or as a counter point to it.

@penny @SuperDicq

@SuperDicq

I dont use ALM specifically because as a phrase it is tainted by some bad apples. It wasnt "started" by anyone, its a phrase that has existed since forever. but yes there are times some bad people have hijacked the phrase no doubt.

I am talking about the concept, not necessarily any organization around it as a sloagan.

There is a reason I avoid using the phrase myself but instead espouse the positive principles it embodies as a phrase.

@penny

@SuperDicq

The meaning is largely determined by the person using the sloagan.. If a person is clueless as to its origin then clearly the meaning that person uses the phrase with is not dictated by its origin.

As I said I am not promoting ALM as a phrase. It is tainted and not well phrased as it is a derrivative of BLM and therefore exists in relation to it. So I generally dont encourage it as a phrase. I find "Every Life Matters" is more appropriate.

@penny