With everyone having tunnel vision about just the Black Victims of police brutality, I think its important we highlight some of the non-black victims.

To be clear Blacks are disproportionately targeted and that does need to be part of the conversation. But this isnt a black issue, 75% of unarmed victims killed by police are white. This is an issue that effects us all of any race. Here are some of those victims, unarmed whites murdered by police.

Rhogena Nicholas - Killed by gunshot
Dennis Tuttle - Killed by gunshot
Jason Lewis - Killed by beating
Virgil Reynolds - Killed by gunshot
Regina Twist - Killed by taser in custody
Thomas Burns - Killed by gunshot
Dylan Papae - Killed by gunshot
Seth Victor - Killed by Taser
Francis Calonge - Killed by gunshot

And many thousands more

#GeorgeFloyd #Riots #protests #PoliceBrutality

@freemo you are free to talk about any tragedy that interests you, but you shouldn't say that "we" "need" to talk about this other issue when we're all already having a more important one

@penny No one is saying you should talk about the issue your currently talking about, or talk about it any less.

Generally societies have very many talks about very many things all at the same time when we address issues. There is more than enough room to discuss all the relevant factors that are causing the problems we face. There is no need or benefit from silencing other related discussions.

You dont reach effective solutions by ignoring the nuance of a problem.

@freemo All true, but again, the people using their energy don't "need" to talk about this unrelated stuff, in fact it's strategically a bad idea because it just spares resources from a movement that's really running full throttle at the moment. Focus is what wins political movements.

@penny I never claimed anyone **needed** to do anything. Its a free country you dont even **need** to recognize a problem exists at all.

What I did say is by not talking about or addressing the big picture you arent going to properly solve the problem.

Having blinders to the full problem and focusing on one aspect of it is not how you win politicial movements. Thats exactly what americans have been doing for years and they keep making things worse not better. I see the exact opposite of that statement to be true, the radicalizm towards singular problems and polarization to one end of the spectrum on every single issue we try to discuss as a society is exactly why the USA is gettign worse year after year.

@freemo well, you also said that it's just as important, which is done deaf for the same reasons but slightly more offensive; because it also magnifies how "wrong" the people not talking about that are.

@penny I did not use the phrase "just as important" either.

@freemo Warning: just rambling, going 2 bed after

It's important to understand that to say something is "tone deaf" is to do a sort of a metasocial measure of your own response and perception of something in a given context; and then to make an analysis of how you believe other people will read it in the context you believe them to have

@penny Yes I think thats a good definition. Can you also, therefore, see why your own responses (particularly those earlier in the thread) also would be tone deaf to my own perceptions and the people who feel as I do?

There are a lot of people trying to say what I am saying.. many have no racist tendencies of any kind, and are often being called racist for even daring to include general police brutality in the issue (as it effects all races)..

The problem as I see it, many of the ALM people arent listening the the BLM side of things. Which is why it is important for me to highlight when i talk about this that blacks are absolutely suffering 2x - 3x more.. but at the same time the BLM side arent really listening to the ALM side who are claiming we have all been abused by cops and there is a sense of unity in that because we have a common enemy and that message is important to spread too...

Instead all I see is ALM hating BLM and BLM hating ALM and frankly their both tone deaf to the other and from my perspective at their core (when you remove the bad apples using those terms) they are both positive messages that should be side-by-side against a common problem.

@freemo @penny I think I remember ALM was started by the extreme right initially as a subtle way of making BLM invalid.

I think that is a legitimate reason to not support ALM, the meaning behind ALM isn't just "All Lives Matter" but the real message to a lot of people is "BLM is racist for not including non-blacks."

@SuperDicq

I dont use ALM specifically because as a phrase it is tainted by some bad apples. It wasnt "started" by anyone, its a phrase that has existed since forever. but yes there are times some bad people have hijacked the phrase no doubt.

I am talking about the concept, not necessarily any organization around it as a sloagan.

There is a reason I avoid using the phrase myself but instead espouse the positive principles it embodies as a phrase.

@penny