Since everyone wants to talk about taking away gun rights again...
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@freemo@qoto.org
@freemo No. They want to take away automatic weapons from people with mental issues.
People like you and me will be happy owners of the needed rocket launchers for personal defense against bears.
@pthenq1 No, what the hell are you talking about... automatic weapons have been illegal since the 70s.
@freemo They said nothing about "taking away gun rights again". But if you are going to twist what they said, why could I not twist what you said? 👀
@pthenq1 yes they did, they are talking about banning certain types of guns, therefore taking away our right to access to those guns.
@freemo okay. I support the right of get weapons.
Still, nobody can get always the guns they want. Today, for example, I would like portable small atomic bombs. You know, the ones handy to blow up 1 or 2 blocks.
They do not let us put our hands on that... and other weapons.
@pthenq1 Its even illegal for nations to have nuclear weapons, even the ones that have it arent allowed to as they were required to disarm ages ago and didnt... so no, bad example buddy.
@freemo same story. When/If they declare some weapon illegal and you have it, you will have to surrender it.
Other than that, perhaps someone wants a semiautomatic to defend himself from bears.
I want a nuclear mini-nuke to combat field mices. We are all tuned against dangerous environments... 
If they actually played by the rules they would just make a new amendment, legal, no problem.. oh wait.. they cant get the votes! So instead they try to erode it in other ways.
@freemo No. They cannot. It is just about banning weapons on mentally impaired people..
There are two things you can mean by that.. banning it for people who were commited against their will by commiting a crime, those people are already banned from having guns..
Or your suggesting the right to bare arms should be revoked for anyone who voluntarily chooses to go to a psychiatrist and has been treated?
The second one is the only one where they can currently get tguns.. but it makes no sense. There is no public registry where people who seek psychiatric treatment on their own get registered and publicly can be "pinged" in a check... so your suggesting something quite obscene, that if I decide to call a psychiatrist and seek help then I will get on a public registry where gun shops can look me up, and my rights become revoked...
For one having a public registry where people are punished for seeking mental health is beyond a horrible idea, doubly so if the consequence is to loose your fundemental rights.
Do you really think anyone who is struggling with a mental disorder who feels they need to see a psychiatrist is going to do it if the law states that should they go to get treated they forfit a basic right for the rest of their life?
God what a horrible idea.
@freemo @icedquinn No. Those conditions can be managed. But they cannot be fixed.
A psychopath have not moral boundaries. That is because they are incapable to feel remorse. There is not fix for that. They live in society by imitating neurotics (us), so they are no necessarily criminals.. But they do not feel remorse or moral boundaries. No treatment possible.
Example: Charles Manson.
Psychotic is a condition where the brain cannot process information correctly. It cannot be cured. Just treated. But if the pills stop being effective... of they forget to eat it or they run out of those pills...
Example are the people hearing voices or having hallucinations.
The first group will only have weapons to carry their will and attack people as part of some plan. The second group cannot process information and could use weapons following instructions given by god, the voices, etc.
Those 2 groups of people cannot be fixed and they should not have access to weapons.
You still havent addressed the fundamental concern.. you are proposing a situation where if a person goes to a therapist to get treatment they automatically forfeit part of their rights, for life.. so you are effectively discouraging people from going to psychiatrists. Sounds like a pretty shitty solution that will cause way more harm than good.
@freemo NO. A person going to the therapist is a neurotic. Please check the definitions of neurotic, psychopath and psychotic. Normal people going to therapy are neurotic.
Psychopath and psychotic are born in that way. And stay in the same way until that person die.
Nobody can transit from one condition to the other.
Psychopaths are also neurotic.. he is using the terminology wrong. Psychopaths do not expiernce delusion or hallucination and therefore would be a neurotic.
@freemo @icedquinn We are all neurotic. That is the "normal thing".
No you are using the terms absolutely wrong, a neurotic person is one with a mental disorder, but where the mental disorder does not include delusion or hallucination... Normal people who have no mental disorders are not neurotic.
Are you literally arging that the dictionary definition is wrong and you are right?
@freemo No sir. We are ALL neurotics with or without issues. Our problems could be treated with more or less long therapy treatments.
The other group are Psychotics. They are nor fixable. They can have medication for their condition... or not. But if they forget to get their pill, they lose it.
@icedquinn