@matrix Its almost like living in a society that treats you unfairly, makes it harder to be financially successful, and causes you to be likely to be born into a life of poverty might possibly influence a persons perpencity towards crime.... who wulda thunk.

@freemo @matrix "living in a society that treats you unfairly"

If you're talking about black people, you're right, but not in the way you intended: Beyond nonstop Affirmative Action and racial quotas to ensure that blacks have to put in far less effort than any other group to get into a good college or get a good job, they're actually less likely than White people to be shot by the police while unarmed, when you control for just how much more violent crime they commit.

Being black in America is Easy Mode, it's just that many blacks are so dysfunctional that they still manage to screw up their lives despite society bending over backwards to accommodate them.

@ChristiJunior

Life skills are generational. When you make people slaves and then try to reverse course on that the lack of education will be passed down generation after generation.

To claim that they systemically have it easier, which I'm not saying is true but even if we assume it is, doesnt really make your case at all. Having it "easy" isnt going to reset the centuries of oppression whose effects will continue to be passed down for some time.

@matrix

@freemo @ChristiJunior @matrix They objectively have it easier, and we are WAY too far removed from slavery for that to be an excuse, that can’t be taken seriously anymore.

@Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

Its not about slavery. The overwhelming oppression of blacks lasted well beyond slavery. Even if you could argue direct racism is gone that isnt until very recent times at best (and you'd be wrong at even that).

@matrix @ChristiJunior

@freemo @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum @matrix "(and you'd be wrong at even that)"

Hol' up, you claimed that blacks were Failing because of the legacy of oppression, seeing how you couldn't actually provide a single example of actual, direct modern-day racial oppression/discrimination faced by blacks. The argument that blacks are Oppressed by the police is certainly bullshit. Meanwhile, there are countless ways modern-day blacks in the US enjoy preferential treatment, at the expense of White people (who do suffer constant ACTUAL, race-based discrimination).

@ChristiJunior

Nope, wrong on all points and not at all what I said.

I said that the legacy of oppression does have an effect, but I never said I could not provide any modern day examples of racism. I did however claim that racism is not reduced to rights, if I shoot you in the face simply because I hate black people, that is racism, and it is still racism even if that black person has all the same rights as me.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@freemo @matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum "if I shoot you in the face simply because I hate black people, that is racism, and it is still racism even if that black person has all the same rights as me."

This seems like a strange point for you to make, seeing how White-on-black crime is absolutely dwarfed by the amount of black-on-White crime happening in the West.

@ChristiJunior

How so? 1) I never claimed blacks cant be or arent racist towards whites 2) not all race-on-other-race crime is automatically explicitly due to race and therefore a racist act.

If I shoot a black person in the face to steal his shoes then it isnt racism just because I'm white. If I do it simply because I hate back people then it is.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum