@matrix Its almost like living in a society that treats you unfairly, makes it harder to be financially successful, and causes you to be likely to be born into a life of poverty might possibly influence a persons perpencity towards crime.... who wulda thunk.

@freemo @matrix So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and move to St. Louis or the Bronx?

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How would that be putting my money where my mouth is? You seem to be having a real hard time with reading comprehension or something, it almost sounds likeyou think I said (which I didnt) that blacks dont make up a large portion of those committing crime? In fact since the get go I admitted that they do.

Try reading things before you post, if you already are then read them twice because you seem to be having some difficulty absorbing what you read accurately.

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@freemo I think you should move to those neighborhoods, tell all the blacks what you posted here, and try to help them out. They'd love to have your help and embrace you with open arms. Why waste your time arguing with people online when you could effect real change on the ground?

@StroopWaffen While not specific to those neighboorhoods I already do volunteer in high-crime high-black neighborhoods. They have mostly embraced me with open arms as you suggest.

@freemo You know what then, I have to admit that's fair. At least you're consistent. I wonder, what is your outlook on the long term future of these neighborhoods? Do you think they are at all responsible for their position?

@StroopWaffen There are many factors. Black communities internally certainly have things they are doing that arent helping that should be addressed. There are also outside factors that need addressing. Then there are the historic ones. Despite what either side will tell you the problem is very complex and while racism towards blacks is an element it is far from the only element at play. A lot of things need to come together from a lot of angles to improve the conditions of any culture.

The future of black communities is uncertain honestly. Internally there are people trying to make positive change, and there are externally too. But the problem is reduced by politics and being politically correct to such an extreme degree that it becomes impossible to really carve out effective solutions, our hands are tied by politically correctness as well as a rejection of the problem even existing, and many other factors. It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem. But also whites tend to refuse to address the racism they impart because at the same time they feel like it is blamming them for the problem. So nothing gets done.

If we stopped arguing about who is to blame (which is all anyone did in this thread) and focus on how to solve the problem without regard to blame we could really make some progress. But society doesnt allow this and the direction its going is farther away from this state.

So... yea, things will probably get worse before they get better when it comes to racial issues.

@freemo I can tell you're dedicated and a true believer, which I truly respect. I'd just say that I think you are wasting your time. Look at Africa, look at black inner cities. No amount of money can fix what goes on there.Deep down, you know this to be true. Whites are totally justified in not wanting to live around that. I really don't see how "white racism" contributes to gang shootings. Otherwise every other victim group of "white racism" would experience similar ills. For all of the problems hispanics have, they are much more capable.

As a group Blacks to not want to live live like we do. Their only hope is segregation and self rule, maybe the more disciplined and well-meaning can rise to the top. But I doubt it.

@StroopWaffen Most black countries were literally owned by white countries and abused for most of history until only very recently. In fact if you take a casual look at the GDP of various african nations you can easily spot a pattern where the nations that remained largely independent have a higher GDP than nations that were once ruled by white conquering nations and only later allowed to be free (after having much of their resources and culture stripped). This is hardly a coincidence.

Its really idiotic to describe Africans as primitive and aggressive when whites were the overwhelming majority of nations that abused tortured the black nations throughout history (yes it goes both ways but to a much lesser extent)... then having the gaull to say "see all these nations we used to own and treated cruelly, look how primitive they are, clearly black people have issues".

@freemo You can look at even the highest GDP black country and find the same patterns. Do you really think blacks are not primitive or aggressive?

GDP, poverty, historical conquest... none of these things have to do with "I'm going to rape a woman on the SEPTA train" or "I'm not going to stick around and support my kid".
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@StroopWaffen You do realize the African country with the highest homicide rate is also the african country with the highest percentage of white population right?

You really should actually look at the statistics before you make them up.

@freemo Ok, who do you think the victims and perpetrators are in South Africa?

@StroopWaffen As with most things, it isnt that simple. But you made an assertion, and that assertion is wrong. You claimed black people have the highest violence rate and yet the opposite is true, the country in africa with the largest number of **white** people has the highest murders and the country with the lowest portion of white people have the least murders. Literally you said a statistical observation where the opposite is true.

Now if you want to try to backpeddle and claim the opposite statistics still happen to make the same point for you that you thought they were making when it was reversed, go for it... but that tells me you arent working off the evidence at all, you already decided your conclusion and are instead trying to get the evidence to fit your answer.

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@freemo Ok, so go ahead and claim that the murders are mostly committed by whites, and not against them.

There's no need to be aggressive, I'm not trying to be argumentative. Do you really believe that the correlation equates to causation in the case of South Africa?

@StroopWaffen I wouldnt make that claim. this is **your** logical framework. You claimed that more blacks = more violence and more whites = less violence, not me. I just happened to show that whether you beleived the data was what it really was or the exact opposite that in both cases you tried to weave an explanation that justified your conclusion either way. Showing you arent actually reasoning about your conclusion at all, you are trying desperately to cherry pick data to fit it (and failing).

@freemo @StroopWaffen ahhh so youre saying diversity leads too murder and violence thank you for confirming what we already know. Thanks for playing.
@freemo @StroopWaffen the African country with the highest homicide rate is also the african country with the highest percentage of people who accurately record violent crime statistics
@freemo @StroopWaffen you are talking about South Africa. I think if you look up the statistics, the the country was actually ruled by those the rates of all crimes were much lower than the rest of sub-Saharan Africa.
@freemo @StroopWaffen - Their entire existence is always eternal tribal war, as science said that there were the first humans (Homo Sapiens) to exist, albeit, I would criticize part of Darwinism in another time. What did they innovate?

Did African tribes create anything, any innovation, a civilization comparable to Roman, Sino-Japanese, Mesopotamian, or Aztec societies?
Is Liberia, and Haiti a great example of a African nation?

Did they have a stable system maintaining the family unit?
Condidering that one of a civilization's requirements needs to be monogamous.
Seeing the meme that these people have no fathers, thats more dysfunctional than the Great Apes.

Why do they have to over brutalize a tribal rival?
Rebember the Rwanda Genocide?

Why do in South Africa has posters (by the Britisn) that tells Africans not to rape, even in their communities?
Something that we have to deal that in America, Calibre, and Brazil.

Have you seen the photos of the riots in South Africa and how Africans brutalized Boer farmers?
I saw a terrifying photo that a dead woman that was brutalized and stabbed by a cross, that's the most satanic and subhuman behavior that I seen.
That behavior justifies the slogan, "TOTAL N----R D---H".
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