@likho Hateful according to who? me? Ultimately it depends on what that opinion is and why, but yes its possible, even if your opinion is wrong it is still possible. The devil would be in the details.

@freemo According to you. Overall, I think your post oversimplifies several issue spaces and makes a strong assumption/accusation of hatred.

@likho Well it certainly over simplifies, I have neither the time or the energy to go in full unabridged detail on a subject as expansive as that one.

As for making a strong assumption or accusation of hatred, how. I literally said "people who hate" I made no assumptions or accusations as to who qualifies as someone who hates. If you dont hate trans people then clearly I wasnt addressing you, if you do then I was.

The fact that you automatically feel accused or assumed of being hateful simply because I said hating trans people is bad might reflect on you more than me, either as someone who is yourself hateful, or as someone who is often wrongfully accused of being hateful, aand are just projecting.

Since I dont know you and you have not yet made any assertions that suggest hate I will not make any attempt to label you either way.

@freemo Maybe you could recheck your wording on the opening post. You used "you" e.g "whether you think".Addressing the reader and making these statements is why I thought your post is assumptive and accusative.

@likho That seems like wanting interpritation. Did you seriously read the usage of the word "you" to a general audience and assume that I must of meant that every single person who read what I wrote therefore must be hateful towards trans people except myself?

Perhaps your not a native english speaker but I assume you anyone reading that, aware that it is a general statement made to the general public, would be well aware of the fact that it is not intended accuse all people who happen to read those words to be the target of my statement.

@freemo If I used "you" in a simlar way, I would've been slapped pretty hard by my English language arts instructors and not for the issue of the way they read it.

@likho If i were writing a professional or formal level of some kind maybe. In casual english, it is perfectly correct.

@freemo Grammatically yes, but that isn't quite the point.

@likho No gramatically as well as accurately expressing my point.

As I said no native english speaker would ever read what I said and take it to mean that I was accusing anyone who happened to read the post of being hateful. I am quite clearly referring on to the people who are hateful but dont otherwise specify who that might be.

Either way, this is a pointless debate. Clearly when you read it you completely misunderstood what I was attempting to say, whether your fault as the reader or me as the writer isnt all that important. I have since clarified my point and explained what I meant. So now if you wish feel free to comment on what I actually intended to say rather than what you incorrectly interpreted me as intending to say. Or dont, and move along, up to you.

@freemo Think this post just reinforces my point. You just make some assumptions about me, how I interpreted your post, and run with it.

I thought your post was poorly written. As you weren't intent on putting effort in to it, I fully recognize this conversation (what you consider a debate) is pointless.

@likho Wow you really do need to find drama in everything dont you... yea have fun with that. I agree, this debate is pointless.

@freemo It's not drama. You could re-examine your language and how it frames your thinking (as demonstrated here) or not. Have a good evening either way.

@likho You are literally 2 or 3 levels in on meta, and defensive about something that I have mentioned half a dozen times at least that wasnt accusing you of anything yet you continue to insist your being accused of things. Frankly I dont care that much what your issue is at this point. Have a great day.

@Raccoondude The thing is while a pedo, in the sense of someone who raped, sexualized, or touched a small child, is a horrific and unacceptable act, and should of course be treated as a crime with penalties and all that... even witht hat being true I dont think even that justifies hating someone. Being evil in any sense is learned and a response to expiernces as is being good, that doesnt make them any less responsible, but it doesnt mean I have to hate the person. I can still go "wow I wish that rapist pedo had better role models growing up or better genes or whatever it would take so he wouldnt be such a bad person and make others suffer along with himself"

@freemo Again fair, but they already hate pedos and murders, so they attempt to connect things they don't like to it

Look at jews for example, they think on an unconscious level, "I fear/am uncomfortable with this person, im gonna try to find a way to connect things I can 'rightfully' hate to it"

Its what disconnects bigotry to the actual fear or discomfort of a group of people, the rationalization.

People who are bigots will rationalize their issues and not accept another outlook due to it, its paranoia at its finest

@freemo Also yeah I do mean pedophile as in "someone who has molested a child"

I really should separate child molester and pedophile for a number of reasons, gonna try to keep that in mind

@Hyolobrika That might explain why someone would hate people who support oppression and political correctness int he wake of transrights. I would have no problem with that per-se.

But when you generalize the fact that some promote rights that are well meaning but harmful and therefore you must hate anyone that is therefore in the same category of them regardless of their political opinion, well at that point you just stepped into a big ol pile of stupid.

@Hyolobrika I know you didnt. It was a general statement.

@Hyolobrika Perhaps :) Though if everyone is mature about it then the issue is resolved by just asking and clarifying, just as we did. When people act like adults things tend to resolve themselves fairly well.