@cy@mstdn.io Where and when did I belittle the pronounds, lets be specific if you are accusing me (how else could I learn from it let alone defend?)

Capitalism, yes, I promote it. I also have mentioned many times that all of europe is capitalist and have also said many times **pure** capitalism doesnt work much like **pure** communism doesnt work. But there is no doubt that I much prefer capitalism over communism, that doesnt make me a right winger, or a left winger however.

I also have **never** said the extreme right wingers are **justified**. I may have at times pointed out the cycle of cause and effect where the actions of the left drives the right to be more extreme **and** the actions of the right drive the left to their extremism as well.

Overall I lean left, not right and have covered why many times. If the best you have to go on is the posting of that meme (which does not embody the points you say in the least and criticizes both extremes) then yea, I'd stick with bonkers. But thats an inflamatory phrasing so id rather argue the points.

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Honestly what i suspect might be the case is that you are perhaps on the more extreme end of left and thus view moderate left people as being on the right erroneously. Take the meme you linked, it cleary criticizes the racism of the extreme left and the extreme right promoting a neutral position instead. But because you disagree with the rampant racism illustrated on the left, and instead view it as antiracism (as id expect from the more devout left wingers) you fail to see an explicitly centrist view as centrist and instead see moderates as the right. Its a very common mindset honestly.

@freemo @cy tbh any economic system is fine when implemented on a micro scale and non-coercive. We also gotta be careful not to focus on hating the out-group, the other, cuz the authoritarians will exploit that hatred.
The funny thing is that, both Karl Marx and Adam Smith believed that landlords were parasites... what does that tell ya?

but yeah, go easy on each other, and more importantly, go easy on yourselves.

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I have no problem with communists as people. I would have a problem if someone forced communism on me and stole all my hard earned assets however.
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@freemo @cy I do admire the utopian socialist like Fourier and Robert Owen- who were actually industrialist capitalists, who helped gave workers back their property rights- full access to finances.
Obviously i'm a bit more biased towards Josiah Warren.
Then there's Engels' Scientific Socialist split which has it's more authoritarian tendencies. Engels and his father were industrialists as well.
@cee @cy @freemo Anyone who claims to be "utopian" is a huge red-flag because they're going to put nirvana fallacies up the ass.
@xianc78 we talked about this already buddy :blobderphappy:

Also... isn't anyone who rejects the state a "utopian" (well, according to authoritarians anyway conveniently enough)

>because they're going to put nirvana fallacies up the ass.

sounds kinky :bloblul:

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@cee @cy @freemo Ancaps don't claim to be utopian. But people (regardless of their ideology) who claim to be "utopian" are delusional.

http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part4
:aphotoblob: but @xianc78 lets not take semantics too srsly. These people weren't claiming to be utopian either, and that term was used pejoratively by the secular humanists & vanguardists on people who believed in peaceful revolution.

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:blobpoliceangery: cee get ur head out of the gutters buddy

:ablobpanic: It was a joke i swear! and i do bonk horni posters
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