Sooo just a reminder:

Dresses were the norm for boys in 100+ years ago, and the color pink was a color for boys as well.

Oh yea and in the 1700s it was normal fashion for men to wear high heels.

But hey, lets make up whatever fake history we want to make gender norms sound like they have always been the same and that "cross dressing" and "drag" are somehow new inventions.

@freemo

*sighs*

They were still conforming to the gender stereotypes of the time. It's important to remember that it's 2023, not <1923

@realcaseyrollins

No not always. The high-heels was not at all common for men to wear until the king decided to wear them (cross-dressing) at which point other men began adopting it as a fashion norm, but only after.

We also have countless famous figures who cross-dressed throughout history.

@freemo

True.

As we do today. However, it's not known that we had people across history identifying as the other sex while cross-dressing. It's not cross-dressing that's unprecedented, but rather identifying as the opposite sex while doing so. Although, there are some fringe historical cases in which this has occurred...

* cue Nero & Sporus reference as a #Succession fan *

@realcaseyrollins

Huh there are tons of historic examples of people who were of one sex identifying as another sex... we have whole stories written about it.. Joan de arc is among the most famous.

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Also we need to be clear here these are different issues, both of which are under the spotlight recently..

1) people who dress as the opposite sex but dont identify as the opposite.. these would be called cross dressed (if not entertaining) and a drag queen if they take an entertainment role.

2) Trans people who may or may not dress as the opposite sex but are int he process of adapting their gender to that sex.

This post is intending to focus on cross-dressing, not trans.

@freemo Oh I see, thanks for the clarification; yes, people have done this across time. There was actually an OT commandment telling the Israelites to not cross-dress (Deuteronomy 22:5) so the practice likely has more or less been around forever.

Although, cross-dressing in the #USA as a serious act I think is new; traditionally it was relegated to comedy sketches. I could be wrong tho.

What does "in the process of adapting their gender to that sex" actually mean, given that 95% of people who identify themselves as transgender say they have no intention of changing their genitals, and in any case it is a biological fact that they cannot actually change sex but only mutilate and sterilize themselves?

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It could mean anything that causes their outward appearence to approach the other gender. If you look more like the opposite sex (intentionally) then you are somewhere along transitioning.

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