Banning abortion is a violation of bodily autonomy like how banning child abuse is a violation of property rights.

My property, my choice!

@realcaseyrollins

I am one who feels bodily autonomy is sacred. My argument is usually that both the fetus and parent have bodily autonomy that is in conflict when it comes to abortion. Therefore any law surrounding it must do its best to respect the bodily autonomy of both.

inb4: People usually counter with talk about being forced to donate a liver to someone. But the difference is a fetus only needs you metaphorical liver because you put the fetus in that position in the first place.

I am not against abortion, but I do think it needs to be relatively restrictive in when and how it is permitted (first trimester only)

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

Do you believe human rights are granted (and I don't want to fiddle with timing because that's the argument), or are they inherent?

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@Phileosopher @realcaseyrollins

I dont think the question even makes sense to ask... Or at least it is a meaningless question... What you are realling asking is "What do you think the definition of "rights" should be".

But let me attempt to answer. Rights are, effectively, the things we agree are morally proper to live by as ethical rules. So really we are asking is... is it possible to pick ah moral code that is objective and universal and not arbitrary or ah social construct...and I'd say yes, ethics are an objective logical thing that exists regardless of if those ethics are codified (granted) or not.

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