What is it about Americans that they seem completely unable to comprehend this?
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@Paulos_the_fog No thats not socialism. Thats capitalism with social-welfare.. often erroneously described as socialism... stems mostly from the error americans make trying describe europe as socialist, which they are not.
In that event - describe socialism and how it is differentiated from communism.
The reality is that communism has never really been implemented in any nation state - certainly not in the former 'communist bloc' states!
Its important to recognize governments dont exist in pure forms. There are no capitalist, socialist, or communist countries wholly, the reality is always a bit more nuanced.
That said, socialism is any system which advocates for the means of production (factories, resources, companies) to be community owned by those the services serve.
Communism is a type of socialism which also advocates socialized consumption (who can consume what is publicly shared, rather than based on money)
In short, Socialism is making public/socializing the means of production and communism is socializing both the means to production and consumption.
Communism, socialism, capitalism, etc has never been implemented, because pure forms of idealistic government never will and never should exist... That said these properties have been well established in countless countries.
Socialism is any system in which
@freemo
Oh I think socialism has been successfully implemented - for example by most native American cultures and indeed by tribal cultures throughout the world. No such cultures would even consider allowing members of their own tribal group to starve to death or to otherwise suffer from the want of some commodity that the group has in sufficient abundance to provide them with it!
The problem in our society in the west is that a small number of people hoard all the necessities they can get their hands on to the detriment of the whole of society; not only so but they attract enormous undeserved admiration for doing so!
We live in a hideously distorted society but because we were all raised with it, we assume is right and proper that it be so.
We arent talking about "successfully implemented"... there is no "socialism" by itself.. it is one among many properties that can be adopted to varying degrees and in different ways.. there is no "This is a a socialism".
For example you have certain countries which are highly socialistic, but they are still capitalists too, and even a little communist.. it will always be a mix because you simply dont have "pure" things in the real world
