Why Is There So Much Right-Wing Media?
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@stux Right-wing a few years back felt like it was dying off. Then left-wing went to super extremist mode and then the right-wing saw a resurgance in response.. now i cant tolerate either side anymore.
@freemo It's mostly 2 families who "control" or "invest" so much in it, it's kinda scary
@stux I mean thats true of left wing too.. a few super rich billionairs make up most of the lefts narrative just like on the right.
@freemo Oh I bet! But the amount and extremes are faaaaar less
Less extremes in what sense? Ideological?
@freemo Uh, noo not persee I think but the lies perhaps
Not sure if i say it right but the "depths" of the lies if you know what i mean
Far right is soo damn extreme, in many views like voilence etc
@stux In terms of lies I think there is some truth there. But I think it has less to do with them intentionally lying and more to do with the fact that the right tends to be less educated than the left, so I think that is more the higher idiocy levels with see more so than intentionally lying (plenty of that too but the intentional sort of lies Id say are equal to left and right).
As for the far rights extreme on my views... I mean yea I agree, but I see the same super extreme on the left. I've heard as many on the left call for white genocide as those on the right calling for minority genocide, for example (and for the record its a small minority on both sides in that regard). Or take taxes, I've heard views from the left that supports pure communism (100% tax rate) which matches the extreme nature of some of the most extreme on the right who call for no or nearly no taxes.
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@freemo As someone on the far-left, I don't know that I've ever really seen someone earnestly call for while genocide. I'm sure you can find people voicing those perspectives, say on social media, but I've never seen any left-wing person or platform that has actual influence/reach call for anything of that sort. If you look at the right though, there's actual mainstream rhetoric/policy positions that are very anti-minority, that encourage violence people of color, etc.
Oh also, Communism isn't 100% tax rate. It's a change in the organization of the way companies work. In theory, communists want democratic control and participation in the workplace. There are different communist ideologies and the people who adhere to them vehemently disagree about how communist society should be achieved/operate and kinda hate each other, but none of them would say that it's about taxation.
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Im aware of communism, and yes its more complicated than a 100% Tax rste. You need to make it more complicates for people to be fooled into thinking it coukd work.
As for being on the left and not seeing thr extremis. Sadly that is very common, it can be very hard for people to see their own sides extremism and very easy to see it on the otherside.
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I do t recall saying the number of people calling for genocide on both sides specifically was identical.
Also we arent talking about centrists here being the ones with reasonable true perspective.. if anything we are implying left, moderate left, center left, and centrist are all more rational than extreme/alt left. Same for tbe right. I think that its fair to say ideologically nonextreme people are going to be more rational on almost any topic.
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@freemo "I've heard as many on the left call for white genocide as those on the right calling for minority genocide"
this is where i got the number of people thing from.
I wouldn't say it's fair, that seems like a status quo bias to me because the orientation of someone's ideology/beliefs is in relation to the society in which they live. For instance, an ideologically extreme person in a monarchy pushing for representative democracy would be seen as extreme by the average person in a monarchy, but we'd see them as reasonable because the value system/ideological framework that is the default in liberal democracies in 2023 is in opposition of monarchy.
Also, what does "rational" mean to you? The word doesn't mean much to me, it's just kind of a mapping between a value system and outcomes. If someone's left-wing they have a certain value system/desired outcomes and whether or not their behaviors/thoughts are rational would be to what extent they adhere to their value system or get them closer to their goals. Same with someone on the right even though what's rational would be very different for both of them.
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Perhaps you are a white person so they are less likely to say it arou d you than me. Whatever the reason my personal expiernces certainly have been about equal from both sides on this (talking in the streets not whatever view you get from the news.
Rational here tends to mean a push to objectivity, reason, and facts, as opposed to trying to twist to match your assumptions.
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@freemo I don't really think that "collective ownership and control" over work places is that complicated of an idea, if anything trying to claim it's about tax rate makes it more complicated. Also, as to whether it could work... we would disagree on that.
I guess it's fortunate that there are enlightened centrists who aren't blinded by ideology to give us all the TRUE perspective on things.
Also, the one thing you claim is that as many people on the left are calling for white genocide as minority genocide on the right which seems completely bonkers to me. The right is very racially white as a group while the left has other concerns than just racially inequality; like gender equality, lgbtq rights. A lot of women and queer people are white, so it feels like it would be very bad to try to genocide yourself/your supporters x3