deeply uncomfortable with rights organizations making pragmatic appeals against internet surveillance. would way rather see them saying something like "human decency recognizes the absolute right of people to have private conversations without government eavesdropping."

@Moon I think there was a typo in your post, or i misunderstood...

Isnt this:

> human decency recognizes the absolute right of people to have private conversations without government eavesdropping.

An example of this

> rights organizations making pragmatic appeals against internet surveillance

@freemo a pragmatic appeal means arguing "we shouldn't do it because it won't work" or "it would be too costly to implement"

@Moon ahhh I see.. that doesnt sound like a very pragmatic approach to me. But I understand now.