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@freemo Trying to figure out a good large scale financial scam around the Rapture. The problem is that non-Christians don't believe in it and Christians are outta here and don't have to care.
I suppose you could sell Rapture insurance to Christians, so non-Christian family members would be taken care of. Even throw in an I-told-you-so video that would be sent to the recipient along with the insurance payout.
Is getting Raptured "death" and does it trigger life insurance?
@mike805 Ha... I think the idea in this scam is that you pay the 10$ per month while alive as "insurance" for your pet to be taken care of when your gone (even though you can no longer pay now).. may just be a meme too I dunno
@freemo The one that interests me is the idea that a lot of people won't believe even after the Rapture.
So it has to happen in such a way as to be deniable. I'm thinking some sort of supernatural phenomenon draws the most devout Christians all to one place and then either a giant meteor or a nuclear attack hits that spot.
Investigators find surprisingly few bodies.
A few people were on video calls with people in the disaster zone, and swear the person disappeared BEFORE the flash...
@mike805 I mean we are talking about god... he is all pwoerful right.. So why need to gather anyone, just make it so the christians are taken when no one is looking at them. I think one movie did it that way each person disapeared when someone looked away so it wasnt witnessed directly
@freemo yeah but that would be obviously outside the normal laws of nature, if a huge number of people disappeared individually. I want something, for a thriller, where it is quite possible for the skeptics to be skeptical and the believers to believe.
So there is a mysterious video uploaded to Youtube a couple days later showing people disappearing. The person who uploaded it swears that mysterious burglars took the original.
@mike805 Thats fair... if everyone dies in one accident due to reasons like a choice to gather it is more easily explained away than people just disapearing with no plausible explanation
@freemo Like the NDE phenomenon or the kids with past life memories phenomenon. There is plenty of evidence for someone who wants to take it seriously. And plenty of room to be skeptical.
For psychic phenomena two theories I like:
1) They are enabled by belief and blocked by doubt, so a skeptic can actually jam the signal. Thus all the star psychics who zeroed out when a doubter was brought in to observe.
2) The entities producing the phenomena don't want to be understood by us.
@mike805 Sadly when it comes to subject non-experiment driven evidence it becomes almost entierly speculative... these things dont work too well under science because they just are so damn hard to falsify.
@freemo Yes that's almost the definition of a supernatural phenomenon. Those things for which evidence exists, but which will not perform under controlled conditions in the lab.
UFOs are in that category too. It's clear now that every high-tech sensor built in the 20th and 21st century detected a variety of anomalies, but nobody can get to the bottom of it.
I think the "big secret" is that spook world has studied the hell out of this stuff, got nowhere, and they are afraid of it.
@mike805 Yea there are tons of things like this, and anything of a religious nature is fundementally this... an all powerful being by its very nature can always manipulate the evidence as they see fit... if they want to hide the proof from everyone, but manifest to one person... they can, their all powerful.
@mike805 You can argue UFO are just that, unidentified objects... we dont know what they are, but no reason to think they are aliens just from the name... I suspect many are experimental aircraft, others are natural environmental stuff.... While im always willing to accept there may be an extraordinary explanation like aliens, I wont leap to that conclusion without more solid evidence either.
@bluGill @freemo It's been going on too long to be humans playing with experimental tech. Never mind that anyone who had such tech could take over the world tomorrow.
So if not aliens it must be a spiritual phenomenon or a natural phenomenon? One of those things where the answer does not necessarily have to make sense.
@freemo @bluGill Scientists would like to think they have the universe pretty well figured out. Four known forces, Big Bang, evolution. We know how it works, now we're just filling in the details.
The combination of the spiritual phenomena and the UFO thing leads one to think there is a lot going on that science just has no instruments to detect yet.
I think all we are saying is with limited evidence if we have to make assumptions it should require the least and most plasable assumptions... so most UFO arent aliens but more likely natural phenomenon and secret aircraft.
But I think its also important to recognize any area where we have minimal evidence and need to lean on assumptions is an area where there is a possibility for extraordinary explanations.
I mean afterall, as scientists, arent we in search of the extraordinary?
@freemo I've read some of Charles Fort's stuff from the 19th century. He had all kinds of cases that read just like modern UFO reports aside from the archaic language.
So it's definitely not RADAR or nuke tests that attracted the aliens to Roswell, and it's not experimental aircraft either. It's been there forever.
The Spiritualists of the 19th century also collected a lot of cases from the pre-telegraph era where someone knew real-time details of a death hundreds of miles away.