@freemo @JuliusGoat but that’s a lie. Antivaxers care about bodily autonomy the same way racists care about “reverse discrimination” or conservatives care about “free speech,” they’re just wrapping their agenda in the language of their enemies.
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Depends on the person. No doubt this does explain some of them. But it is hardly the majority.
Take myself as a prime counter example. I worked as a COVID-19 research scientist. I beleive that if you dont take the vaccine you are a complete and utter moron. Regardless I am against mandatory vaccines. Most people ont he left screamed anti-vaxxer at me, when clearly i was pro-vaccine, they just refused to hear any nuance in my stance.
This is what the left routinely does, what you just did. Pretend like you hear an argument which isnt the argument being made (or made by a small minority) and then turnt he toxicity up to 11. The truth is most people who were against mandatory vaccines and labled an anti-vaxxer weren't even against vaccines, at all. You magnify the 1% most idiotic of the other argument and then pretend like its the majority. Worst yet, its a lie repeated so often people believe it.
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat if you’re not part of the 99% of opponents of systemic vaccination who want to sabotage and destroy society’s ability to respond to emergencies like Covid and climate change, don’t take offense when I call out the other 99%.
I took offense to you referring to it as 99% which it clearly isnt. A **very** large proportion support vaccines and are against **mandatory** vaccines. Whatever the actual percentage it doesnt even approach the numbers you are claiming.
I also didnt take offense for you calling out the minority, i took offense to you framing as if they were 99% when they are clearly not.
Saying the same incorrect generalization about people a second time wont make your argument any less wrong.
Again as one of the people who was against **mandatory** vaccines but for vaccines I am not just a counter-example to that but know full well just how many people agree with my stance, and it clearly is not less than 1% as you suggest, not even close.
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat a vaccine that’s not mandatory is of little or no value. A total waste of resources to develop a vaccine that’s not deployed systematically. Smallpox was eradicated because police literally held people down and forced the needle into their arms.
Please cite your source for “very large proportion,” I suspect it is a distant third behind “unconditionally pro vax” and “unconditionally antivax.” If not humanity might be doomed.
I have no interest in debating if it should be mandatory or not, thats another argument and not what this is about... again you misframed the opinion of those people, the fact that you disagree with them is fine, but not the point. Your dishonest representation of their argument is the point, if you had argued against their real argument from the get go (or at least not misrepresented the group) then i would have no problem with you making the argument, even if I feel it is wrong.
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat the opponents to mandatory vaccination have a ~99% overlap with opponents of other public health measures, that’s how I know that for that subset it’s not really about bodily autonomy and is in fact about oppositional/defiant rejection of any sacrifice for the common good.
Cite your source for that 99% figure, sounds absurd and incorrect but feel free to prove it.
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat feel free to support your own point.
You are the kne making the extraordinary claim of 99%. The onus is on you not me. Scientists dont need to debunk fantastical claims without evidence.
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat I have no idea of your personal beliefs, but anyone who supports drug tests for welfare recipients does not actually believe in bodily autonomy.
Well I am strongly against drug tests for welfare recipients, as are most people who take my stance.
So again, your point?
@freemo @theothersimo @JuliusGoat people saw this new Supreme Court as an opportunity to roll back centuries of precedents in favor of public health and mandatory vaccination, and they got their wish. These same people give zero shits about the bodily autonomy of women, post-partum children, homeless people, or workers. They just want to break all functions of government except those that kill people and break things. They oppose all public health measures not just vaccination programs.