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Indoctrination of **any** kind doesnt exist. Its just people filling voids of one kind or another. Most indoctrination is finding friends among people who accept you and nothing more.

@freemo

I agree that is the motivation of people to be open to it, but indoctrination exists... which is why they target the young.

@corruptian

Indocrination exists but its just the wrong way to think about it is all. People want to fit in, in an effort to fit in they willa dopt the opinions of the group that are central to that group. That is indotrination. But a better way to view it is not indoctrination, its people who have a social void and a desire to feel part of something good and grand, and larger than them that inspires them. It is that desire that leads to what people call indoctrination. In other words, indoctrinated people are the direct result of the flaws in the community they come from, otherwise those communities would have been what indoctrinated them instead since they would have been happy to fit in with their home community in that case.

@realcaseyrollins

Life expiernce... no one gets told by people they dont like and dont connect with "hey beleive X" and they go "Sure X it is!".. Indoctrination is always about fitting in, and that doesnt happen unless there is a void someone needs filled to begin with that causes them to compromise their personal beliefs in an effort to fit in.

@freemo @lnxw37b2 Ah, I like that response better than this thread.

The one thing I'd add to that is that in a digital age it's very easy to manufacture consensus, all you need are some bots. So something can *seem* popular online, but that consensus could be either faked or manipulated (for example, biased admins could remove dissent and have the same effect as botted consensus).

@realcaseyrollins

Totally agree, that is a huge problem. But its important to note it only works when those bots are imitating people of a group you wish to belong to. So it still depends on the underlying point, there must be a problem with your existing community to want to be part of some other community to begin with. So just bots that are part of the populace doesnt matter unless those bots pretend to be part of the community you feel strongly you want to be accepted into.

@lnxw37b2

@lnxw37b2 @freemo Late to respond cuz I'm working but yeah #TuttleTwins is such blatant propaganda that is makes me incredibly upset lol

@freemo

University indoctrination most definitely exists. All professors may not be doing it but SOME professors most definitely are. One example is that since the 1990's at the latest top level so called universities were indocrinating their students that there was something wrong with white males.

@relentless_eduardo

indoctrination is just a loaded word that totally obfuscates what is happening.. What you mean is university professors are respected by their students because they have demonstrated a behavior that is worthy of their respects that apparently the people at home done exhibit, thus making their students respect them and thus their opinions adopted... All "indoctrination" is is someone adopting someone elses ideals and opinions out of a desire to be int he same circle as the professor (academics).

So yes its real, but again to the original point, it is a reflection of the people at home not being worthy role models that anyone seeks an external group with which to respect and fit into.

As long as you call it indoctrination rather than seeing it for what it actually is your going to miss the whole point of whats happened.

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