@bloodaxe You sound like me :) So what I will say is after I tested everything and everyone I met over "all my life" (really!)

And that is to say something like "huamns are like animals" and the "I don't care" or "My focus is on other stuff, my kids / other stuff" is basically a cut off point we don't need to push too hard on resolving "It just is" and better / more enjoyable / less losing heat is by joining with existing people (which is actually as-problematic as the other people but a bit more mutual and some ground and interaction can be made, but even the best haven't really lasted in conversation / building).

I'll throw some names out but basically the good people also have communication problems or lack emotional intelligence needed in the world (even for computer projects let alone "solving the world tech stuff")

I won't advertise those I've tested but #RMS is a good case and don't mind giving him credit (who is good but not flexible any more for next gen's or even just communication even though he replies!)

What I'm trying to say is that it is a challenge even with the best, but the best could allow for that and let me and others "do their thing", right now the clique-y type stuff and other things (like elephants scared of mice or people scared of anonymous people) is all a factor...

So it's not about getting all people across and anyway we have enough good people from here... it's about from here to the next steps and making a full ladder that every "idiot" or less interested person can later climb the ladder once we have more steps / rungs on it. Almost too many at this level not stepping up to more humanly intelligent and dare I say loving or caring to the human sides of life! (inescapable and either way affect everything despite tech looking like it's advanced)

So again zoomed out now, I don't even think we need to reclaim those bad things at all - people really like them... I have run "tests" and people go back like prostitutes to pimps (willingly)... <--- is not a bad example and is really their choice which after talking to them makes sense, it's a hell to change / fight all your life and then at the end it is about business (we are in it / born from it) so all they do is accept or even embrace which even we need them... and it gives us time to think and make better / longer ladder... as even with the best they haven't been able to continue marathons or love themselves enough / be self-less and continue what you mentioned but not looking to other BigTech to try do it....

It's like saying "Reclaim Yourself" to others and seriously they wouldn't know what to do given the time... so it's up to us, even to create it without them at first but with all things good in mind... the numbers don't matter... kind of like yeast or bacteria - good methods can germinate and grow the mind (and the tech- but not without the mind / belief in themselves / others / towards real peace / poverty and sharing more as the equaliser)... etc etc