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@thomas

So this point is around "IT'S ALL THEORY TO US / MOST PEOPLE SITTING AT HOME WITH DOORS CLOSED (AT NOT WANTING TO KNOW)- yes there is a bit of an idea but mostly we actually don't know or jobs are #compartmentalization so you can build anything stats or perspective from these #compartmentalised components depending on who controls it or value what... (ok we know a lot more today but still exactly where and how much is never said or _seen_)

And maybe it shouldn't need to be said or seen because WEK KNOW CAN'T TRUST ANY STATE OR OTHERS who all are willing to make profit QUICKLY (based on history and on their own ideas of dominating others while leveraging anything they can).

So right now it comes to this below as dishonest extends from how far the chain you are (unless there is more wisdom to help change my mind) as I'd rather it be more local and in my own hands (while accepting it all can't but even tractors we could make)...

So if you personally can reproduce it (even if not all but with small metal usage etc and more locally or personally) then we would at least know someone close to you if not ourselves in that plant or #factory or whatever industry that to let ourselves in or others as family / friend to have a look around...

Otherwise no $tate is going to tell you - yeah we just pumped it all into the #RiverThames (and then some!) or "we don't care" and "fastest route wins" so we do it while you're sleeping...

They are all mostly silent killers and spinning and re-labelling it, like with fuels, grouping and even calculating it as something else make accounts look good and more eco when it's not really even comparable / renewable etc!

#SwitchingTheGoalPosts

It's a dirty 'business' so I'd fallback to local / personal - as most tech seems good when you don't see how it really works / how parts really made / how dirty it is (#material and #political). We just see this shiny big machine and think it's going to last forever until one thing goes and potentially that's it.

It's all #TechPol

..not just USPol #UKPol
.or limited to #US #UK etc

#ALLTECH is political though many techies don't even bother with that side!

So again...

One BIG point about waste is you almost never see where it goes or what happens in the end... it's a lot of hearsay and trust in state needed about the reality that it's politically or ecologically dirty... (was ok but now totally we're over-using / always-on / not growing things but #killing / #consuming only)...

➡️ MY USUALLY TEST THEORETICALLY... is to personally imagine managing it yourself
... like keeping it more local or ecological or whatever on some level... then it might work... and helps keep consumption to ratio of people working with that sector so ratio of common people doing it for themselves (like what % of #Tech people grow food even though 100% of them need it... it's just too lop-sided / unsustainable / far from sustainable if common people can't chip in / are blocked out)

➡️ If you need too many chains and too much hardware, tons of chemicals, heat / metals etc... then all is often making it too messy to handle long-term, and just petrol mostly helped all that as a boost that will slow down (this is also in theory maybe but we didn't have petrol etc so can be proven somewhat by that).

The waste (of energy or residues) are usually too fast as a build up for us long-term (locally would be even more crazy but at least honest to see - in a town people did it with plastic pots and kept them and in the end was overrun and had to dump it)

Therefore big waste is all probably hidden / covered / false as recycling and ends up as the same dirty work done somewhere else first - AND THEN delivered pure to us. And maybe some token #gesture of massive trucks going around the EU's "every 1 mile" (or whatever) for recycling places (encouraging people to buy good all packaged is smaller amount

or tins of a handful of sweetcorn 285g (I'm looking at right now) with as much tough metal around it that even a bullet couldn't pierce through... it's solid.
Just for a handful of corn. (#PalmFace also in reference to attached #Simpson picture)

I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything or don't need energy but this sticking point around all the #chemicals and #industry waste we have still literally lingers and all the while KILLS more afterwards in it's aftermath...
#Microplastics / #plastic mixed #soil in gardens (yeah they didn't tell you that right when filling whole towns!)

Rather than grow anything nice but not forever it's also encouraging people just to waste / consume it and normalising #unthinking human behaviour / #excess usage / un-#eco #habits / #alwayson #tech / not improving of people or increasing #planting practices for next generation etc...)

(almost 0% maybe for those personally in Tech I know)

#Waste (even with #politics aside from #extraction) is mega - I know little about the whole chain of nuclear and think that's why it's so appealing.

❓ ➡️ Any diagrams / flow charts ? Would be welcome to serve me your qualified info rather search assuming all tech is a bit fo a con (#nofreelunch) ... but the potential #radiation / #explosions later seem a bit scary as things build up and not great if you watch #homersimpson at work in #TheSimpsons #cartoon !!

(imagine the #theme #tune playing!)

Techies in the exact same way are a bit too one-sided / un-caring (they have told me so directly).
Excellent efficiency but in the end helping #neo-#tech-#fascism or all that #transforming into machines / merging when planet actually has given plenty if we let it grow and feed people from their own #poop and seeds that regrow (I'm doing it so it's not all #woowoo and most of any of this is from direct experience and not hate !). Just have to #DIY a much smaller #footprint / have it less on... GROW MORE!