In a moment when #democracy and self-determination are attacked from so many sides, and authoritarianism and imperialism are again on the rise, I would expect unity among all those who may disagree on many things, but still agree on some basic axioms of civilization:

That a democratic framework and the respect of sovereignty and human dignity should not be negotiable.
That nobody should be subject to prejudice.
That nobody should aggressively grab someone else’s lands or resources, no matter how powerful they are.
That #fascism is always a cancer to eradicate.

Instead, I am seeing divisions along partisan lines.

“Why Ukraine and not Gaza?”

“Why Gaza and not Ukraine?”

“Why Gaza and not Venezuela?”

“Why Greenland but not Iran?”

And so on, for all the possible combinations of whataboutism.

I would have never thought to write a post to state the obvious and call out partisan whataboutism, but here I am. So before anyone writes another “but why does Fabio or <put-the-name-of-a-woke-leftist-liberal-here> support X and doesn’t say anything about Y?”, read these lines and think twice:

What #Israel has done and keeps doing in #Gaza is an inexcusable genocide. Its perpetrators must be called accountable, Israel must rebuild what it has destroyed no matter the costs, maximum external pressure through boycotts must be applied to all the productive sectors of Israel’s economy, settlers must evacuate all the occupied territories, buffer zones must be set up to prevent any further aggression from either side, and the UN is the only entity legally allowed to control those buffer zones. And all the conditions that have led to such an apartheid State must be dismantled one by one.
#Hamas is a terrorist group. They must be called accountable for two decades of terror and restrictions imposed to Gazans, they must go and new elections must be held as soon as it’s feasible. But they must not go through a permanent military occupation, and not by murdering, displacing and/or starving 2M people. #Palestine has its right to flourish. Without Hamas, and without Israeli colonizers.
What #Russia has done to #Ukraine is an inexcusable imperialist invasion. It must release all territories invaded since 2014, pay for reconstruction, #Putin must be arrested as soon as he sets his foot in any country that recognizes the authority of the ICJ, maximum pressure through sanctions and boycotts must be applied to everything Russia touches, and buffer zones controlled by the UN must be prepared in order to prevent any further aggression.
What #Trump is doing to #Venezuela is a grave imperialist attack motivated by nothing else but personal greed and geopolitical games. He must be called accountable for this (and for hundreds of other crimes against his citizens and humanity), all free nations have a civic duty of decoupling themselves from such a rogue actor and isolate #America, and Trump’s life must end in a jail.
What #Maduro has done to #Venezuela and to its people is outrageous. Very few leaders in the past 50 years have been as corrupt, inept and arrogant as him. He literally sits on a mine of easily reachable oil, and yet he couldn’t even make a coherent plan to dig it that wasn’t rotten in cronyism and corruption from its very start. He has cheated so badly at the latest elections that it was one of the few cases where a simple analysis of the probability of the results could mathematically prove that they were faked. He must go, but not through Uncle Sam suddenly bombing his city, kidnapping him like a thug, jailing him in a country that has no legal jurisdiction over him, and installing whatever puppet could hand him all the oil instead. If you are outraged at Putin for repeatedly trying to install friendly puppets in all former Soviet territories, then you ought to also be outraged at America for repeatedly trying to install friendly puppets in Central and South America.
What #China threatens to do against #Taiwan is outrageous and the world must firmly condemn it, recognize Taiwan’s legitimacy as an independent sovereign country that should develop without the constant threat of Chinese unilateral aggression, and world leaders should provide support to it by explicitly threatening military action against China if it decides to violate Taiwan’s sovereignty.
What Iranian citizens are doing against their decrepit regime is an act of bravery that must be fully supported. The Iranian regime has brought nothing upon its wonderful and smart people but misery, restrictions, bigotry, terror and isolation, and it must go. If its own citizens protest, we must throw our full support at them, until the regime falls. But you don’t make the regime fall by simply bombing Teheran. The only thing you achieve by doing that is uniting both the regime and its citizens in their rage against your bombs - which is exactly the opposite of what you want to achieve. Westerners should already have learned in 1979 that any attempts to meddle with the will of #Iran and its people backfires very badly.
#Greenland is a sovereign territory that is still in the course of building its own autonomy from Denmark. Asking (or even worse threatening) its people to jump from one colonizer to another is as vulgar as publicly asking a woman coming out of an abusive relationship to have sex with you. But of course this is exactly the kind of vulgarity that you’d expect from an unhinged moral pervert like Trump. The world should not give a single fuck about America’s security needs, whether real or fictional, when the price for them is colonialist expansion. You can’t buy territories at the supermarket. You can’t coerce them into selling themselves to you. This is not RisiKo. Self-determination must always be respected. If you’re worried about your security, try to behave less like a sociopath jerk and have less enemies. Try to embrace multilateralism and dialogue rather than coercion and authoritarianism. It helps, you’ll see.

Let me know if I missed anything from this list.

I hope that the stance is clear and whataboutism is neutralized.

Defending the oppressed and condeming the oppressors is not a partisan political game. It’s not a question of being pro or against Israel, America, Russia, Venezuela, China, Taiwan, Ukraine, Iran, Hamas or whatever. Geopolitical narratives may put the oppressed on opposite sides of partisan lines. International law and the philosophical framework that underpins our civilization since the Enlightenment, instead, put them exactly on the same side.

When you throw whataboutism at someone who is enraged about someone bullied by an imperialist fascist, just because that episode of bullyism isn’t something that you’re particularly sensitive on, and you want to draw the spotlight on someone else you’re more sympathetic with, then you’re a filthy imperialist fascist too.

If you hate a fascist thug then you hate all of them. And if you don’t hate all the fascist thugs from the bottom of your heart then you’re one of them too.

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Hi all good but a few points:..

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1️st point ➡️ Your paragraph:

" If you hate a fascist thug then you hate all of them. And if you don’t hate all the fascist thugs from the bottom of your heart then you’re one of them too. "

I hate / think it's bad logic that you feel you have make someone an enemy or call them names because they don’t hate all the fascist thugs or have a bad logic in arguing.

It's bad work and not productive to do this (even if it has some good logic mixed in which you mention and agree with).

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2nd point ➡️ Your paragraph:

", and you want to draw the spotlight on someone else you’re more sympathetic with, then you’re a filthy imperialist fascist too."

Many good people do things badly but they are not a "filthy imperialist fascist". I accept MANY do go along with things (also from lack of choice) or don't want to cause trouble (inside a trouble-making system). But again it's not the same.

THE WHOLE OF THE INTERNET (almost) often revolves around name calling or division and not the learning or realising the points (which you also do here so that's great).

Good people are crap at many things too... but not fascist. Maybe "fascistic" or have some logic or tendency but nowhere to that full level of it.

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I personally don't mean the opposite either (that I might like fascist thugs) but to play one off another with even the good-ish people (or those that share some good points with you) means you are deliberately losing people at the same time or making an ultimatum way too early.

People are simply waaay behind (ANY person whether fascist, liberal, OR NOT).
People simply doesn't understand most of the design of modern life (that's gone way ahead of people today) so they are way behind and don't even know what's driving people apart (like money and banks for example).

People think numbers are straight / respectable / hold good value)... such a common basic fundamental flaw but hard to see / it is mostly invisible.

I admit many know the manipulation too by banks or economic war design (every country copied) AND INDIVIDUALS ARE (and leaders) but often they see but can't hold priority to that or see more-invisible war (money itself as a deliberately bad design seemingly giving but taking away / damaging life). All the while we have a fascistic life as a design itself... IN THAT WAY WE ARE ALL FASCISTIC... awful to type and consider and say to you now...

... so it's hard to see that or offer alternative now we are in this negative container with seemingly neutral "money" between us all causing the damage - it's like passing drugs around to each other and only feeling ok / safe for a little bit while everything gets worse.

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So my comment to you about drawing the line like this is saying that is bad practice for me and others as I can see it's too early and even stimulating more hate (whether you intended or not name-calling only leads to more crap as that's easiest for people and they 'understand' that and not the rest).

Many are 'uneducated' and yes even ignorant AND 'stupid' ('stupid' as a comparative measurement to those who have amply time / willpower to spend educating and like to learn online much more than others)... but not all bad.

So you explain things well - but some stays in hate mode and even perpetuates /encourages more hate (for those that are unskilled at least - for me I can let it slide but others are like dogs if you threaten them)... so actually I agree with you about hating (or not playing with the wrong types) BUT if you're saying people "you are one of them too" for not hating them then you are making the mistake of pushing others yourself into being an enemy against you and even though they are actually mostly on your side (and let's say dumber or even have fascistic tendency). Again this is different to being fascist or liking fascism...

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Another tangent... Limp Bizkit lyrics
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A lyric finally that shows what I mean about the knee-jerk or dog-like reaction:

"I know why you wanna hate me, because hate is all the world has every seen lately"
- Limp Bizkit - M.I.2 Theme (Hate Me)

So while the clear extremes are to be 'hated' (for me it's not active hate) but finding good people to work with instead of hating is the way (which we are terrible at now as I've measured in my life's work which is why people stay in hate mode) and I think it's often wasted energy in that way just as over the top to hate rather than getting better at - building - and frankly words that sound weird online but are not if you really about the world to do it. Audio chats, etc

Hate is everywhere and feels like not many can actually and have longer conversation while keeping emotion and logic intact. So it helps to keep people on-side a bit / focus on the logic rather than (which nobody likes / is a negative loop unless really sure they know all the facts like you and chose already 100% the opposite).

Strangely fascistic people hate, and so do you - which can make you similar in that way. And this is another way of showing maybe you are not the same as a fascistic person even though you are strongly hating.

*"fascistic" in above paragraph might be different to previously mention and might mean "intolerant / impatient / quick to dismiss / not focused helping good educate next generations and hating more"

Finally...
I don't know you so no big statements against you but the patterns described I think make sense...

Thoughts welcome...

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