There's a reason why the climate action movement has the saying "We don't need one person to do climate action perfectly, we need millions of people to do it imperfectly", just is there is for the anticapitalists saying "there is no ethical consumerism under capitalism".
These are guards against these movements from becoming like far too much of the FOSS movement, where we become insular as we argue over who holds to our ideals the purest.
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You know, I've once ended up defending the FSF against the "purity spiral" they inspire. I ended up resorting to saying "my ideals are purer than though's"!
If we want to pull more people in, we need to meet them where they're at. And remember that none of us are pure!
Not that we shouldn't try.
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@alcinnz Whoever is framing that as a matter of ideological purity is missing the point (either intentionally or otherwise). Software freedom is a practical issue: do we want software by and for BigTech, or by and for the People, given how important software has become in our daily lives?
Seeing it from this angle, one could say software freedom is part of the same movement that opposes capitalism by growing your own food, or consuming locally or more responsibly. The winning point of the GPL is that it discourages corporations from using people's work and, thus, from taking over their efforts. If you grow your own food, but then sell it to BigAggro, what have you achieved?
So, when someone criticises someone else's ideas about software as being “hollier than thou”, I think they are (again, intentionally or otherwise) sellouts or useful idiots for capitalism. We need to be radical about it.
@josemanuel On the other hand, yes it doesn't look like "winning" to me to see free software powering practically every proprietary product! They're not passing the freedoms along!
@josemanuel I don't think we're quite on the same page here.
Its fair to discuss where we're drawing our lines, that's not what I'm criticizing!
I'm criticizing when I see people, say, chastise others for using proprietary drivers.
Or in that case where I was defending the FSF: They were promoting JShell (a tighter JavaScript sandbox), and their followers were asking why its needed if we're only running freely-licensed scripts.