To clarify I am not against:
1. Truckers and other transport entities
2. Peaceful protests which are at the core ideology of healthy democracy
I do not support #FreedomConvoy2022 as their demands are unreasonable and insane.
None in the US, CA and the EU is forcing you to take a vaccine and no licensed medical professional is going to give you the vaccine if they are not confident about your consent and the vaccine efficacy (hypocratic oath).
If they do and you can prove it then you can sue them for a lot of money and take their license away.
This whole protest is evidently not about freedom it's about harassement of other people by a group of iresponsive inviduals who refuse to take sane measures to ensure that their possible covid-19 infection does not endanger others while using their equipment to harm the economy of the state during a covid-19-induced inflation.
The longer this goes the more it will hurt not only the affected governments, but also people participating in the protests.
NOTE: I am not against _peaceful_ protests that:
1. do not block the road for an extended amount of time (~2 hours)
2. Let EMS through when they need to get through.
3. Let people sleep in the night instead of honking like a retard the whole time
#CA #EU #US #FR #France #Canada #EuropeanUnion #UnitedStates #freedomConvoy #FreedomConvoy2022 #libreConvoy #libreConvoy2022
@antares malpractice exists everywhere..
The problem with enforcing it in a health care is being able to prove it so if you are concerned about the medical professional who is handling you then bring a witness with you.
But i do agree that this shouldn't be an issue in a health care as either the nurse or the doctor usually take an action if something unethical is happening.
I don't even know if the Oath is even relevant to dentists, optometrists, therapists, psychologists, biochemists, biomedical corporations anyone/thing who isn't exactly a medical doctor but you can find within or dealing business with a healthcare facility.
@antares I think that you are misinformed hippocratic oath is taken at all unis that i checked in the last hour and it's violation will revoke the doctor's license depending on how severe it is.
E.g. unintentionally infection the patient vs intentionally harming the patient.
> I don't even know if the Oath is even relevant to dentists, optometrists, therapists, psychologists, biochemists, biomedical corporations anyone/thing who isn't exactly a medical doctor but you can find within or dealing business with a healthcare facility.
Like anyone can claim themselves to be dentist, optometrists, etc.. thus why i said _licensed_ medical professional.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-myth-of-the-hippocratic-oath-201511258447
This is not a legal advise
@antares Interesting..
I talked about that with a relevant medical professional in the US who seems to say the same thing (oath is either not taken, they use modified version and minority uses the original), but it doesn't mean that they can engage in unprofessional, dishonorable or unethical conduct so even if they don't take the oath is integrated in the state law + you are still liable for criminal law violations.
I was given a https://www.tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/kleier_v_med._examiners_opn.pdf on the subject by 3rd party
Additionally i was told by relevant 3 medical professionals in the US that they would never vaccinate someone who does not agree with it citing that it's unethical and violates 14th ammendment.
But legally from what i understood there are cases such as https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/197us11 that used as a precedent in a modern law to force people in a vaccination.
So legally it depends how well can your elected officials and you defend yourself legally.
So i guess point being: Licensed medical professionals are not going to vaccinate you if you do not consent to it and you are protected by 14th ammendment on the subject, but 3rd party might legally bully you into submission.
Hi. My bad experience with medical professionals isn't from the current issue of the covid vaccine. Maybe that's how the conversation started; I recall I jumped in because I was sick of people citing the Hippocratic Oath to re-affirm a general trust in medical professionals. (Judging by your posting times, I assume you are in Europe.)
A medical professional is just another human being. I don't consider them "the moral paragons of society"; definitely, not from personal experience I won't go into further detail about. Even if they took the Hippocratic Oath verbatim, the Oath itself has shortcomings I take issue with.
@antares Yes i am from EU and i find it very surpricing that US is redefining hippocratic oath as from my medical studies (i halted the schoolarship due to the covid) i was constantly reminded about the oath and that i have to follow it to what almost felt like a cult.
But it seems that the oath is implemented in the US law and it still seems enforced while addressing the ethical questions about abortion, etc..
The US has a funny history of medical scandals, fraud, and abuse. Some of which are not classified as illegal despite being a betrayal to the patient. There is no way you are going to convince me to trust a medical professional just because of the codes and regulations surrounding the medical industry. So if this is what you're going for, just stop. I lived in the US my entire life and know how my family members have also been treated. One internet discussion is just not going to change that.
@antares I am not trying to convince you, more like trying to understand the situation in the US so that i can adjust my politics if it is this unethical as it seems.
