I hate this dynamic. Valve is also a shit company, like any other company who makes proprietary software, spyware and distributes DRM.

@SuperDicq valve isn't big tech though, they're still a small company. and based PRIVATE company, not cringe publicly traded one filled with rich fucks only interested in getting richer

@hj @SuperDicq I've heard people make that claim before. why are private companies better than public ones?

@light @SuperDicq it's an extension of "why democracy doesn't really work", basically. So say we have a publicly traded company. Who are the shareholders? Rich people who can afford to buy shares, NOT customers or people interested in company's actual product. What rich people want? To get richer. What do rich people care for in a business? To make more profit. Do they care about anything else? Not really as long as it doesn't affect profits. Those people also like passive income and not get too involved/invested in the business so they don't want to take risks until profits drop too low. What do we get in result? A company run by rich fucks who are only interested in making company being more profitable at expense of pretty much everything else including customers privacy and rights. This most likely undermines company's original purpose and its raison d'être.

I'm not saying privately run businesses are inherently good but i'm saying that publicly ran businesses are inherently bad because they ARE ruled by rich fucks.
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>Who are the shareholders? Rich people who can afford to buy shares, NOT customers or people interested in company's actual product.
Sounds like a great argument for co-operatives.

A company (as opposed to a non-profit) is always going to be owned by people who care about profit (even if it's a co-op). I still don't understand what difference it makes whether the business is owned by a closed group of, idk, the founder, their family, and friends or an open group of anyone with enough money to pay for stock.

If it's, say, a customer co-op though, then it should act in the interests of customers.

I don't really understand what democracy has to do with it. Is your claim that more people making decisions makes it worse? How? Either way it's orthogonal to your argument that the profit motive is a problem.

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