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People sat in basements for several days, the elderly and pensioners had the hardest time, the Ukrainian authorities did not even try to organize their evacuation, heating and food. At the same time, the liberated areas of are still under regular artillery fire from neo-Nazis from Azov.

Well, from what I have seen is that the Russians are only allowing escape routes to Russia or Belarus. Those people (no, not only the neo-nazis) want to get to the west.

@hans
Isn't Mariupol closer to Russia? The folks in Mariupol are overwhelmingly Russian and Russian speaking FWIU.

It is, but the outcome is worse. They will never have a free life in russia.
The biggest problems I have is that Russia is simply bombing places where no military targets are. All in the name of getting the Nazi's out. If they bomb a flat where families live, a place where people seek shelter in the basement and art musea where people try to find a safe spot (almost next to the place that was bombed a few days ago).

Yes, I have a hard time since the Russians are simply giving no options and are not playing with the normal war rules (you shall only attack military objects). They are simply bombing everyone out.

And if those Russians living there did not took the road to Russia then what does that mean?

@hans
Mistakes happen, but what I've gleaned is that the apartment buildings are often used by Ukrainian Military, spotters and ATGM teams. Hell, they've even been parking armour next to civilian occupied bldgs. They want casualties among the human population—why?

Because civilians think like you when they see the news or pictures of bombed buildings are aghast. Of course, they don't think critically and ask, what is the context, and is this context true.

Ask yourself this: Why would the Russian's be bombing the people that they're trying to save and protect? They're (Russians) are trying to stop the wanton artillery shelling of the Donbass and other areas that has been happening for the past 8 years. NATO and the EU didn't do anything when Ukraine ignored the Minsk accords, which they signed and agreed to.
That forced Putin's hand, that and Zelensky saying Ukraine will seek atomic weapons.
He had no choice—No Russian leader would allow NATO at their borders armed with nuclear missiles, FFS.
NATO aren't the good guys here!
Hell NATO which we know is the USA deliberately filled the Ukraine military with the confidence that they could take on the Russian Army, knowing that NATO wouldn't intervene when the shit hit the fan. So, NATO left the Ukrainians high and dry. Just because the goddam NeoCons in Washington wanted it this way. Some of these Christian right-wingers in the USA want to fulfill bible prophecy. AFAIC they're no different from ISIS.

Russia always has a choice. Not stating that the Nato or others are good or bad but I do doubt Ukraine had enough military staff to arm all those destroyed flats. I suppose Zelensky wanted a change, I am not able to see why. I do know it wasn't him that signed the agreement.

Whatever the outcome of this problem is, I do hope those who used to live together without a problem are able to keep that up once shit settles
The USA did a lot, I fully agree, even Nato did a lot to contribute. But again, if people have a choice to Flee to the east or stay at home then the Russians are just as bad.

@hans
Well, I don't subscribe to the theory that the Russians are bad. The history is that the Anglo Empire has historically had issues with the Russian Empire. They're afraid to compete with them and China. That what it boils down to, in this era.

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