men really think "if it weren't for us other men would rape you" is an argument for why women need them

@georgia What's untrue about it? We've abstracted it in modern societies to ethics and laws so you don't have to think about it anymore, but if there were no threat of retaliation you would probably get raped.

@boob thats literally a protection racket.

@georgia Yes, that is how the world works. It is the entire justification for the concept of nation-states, and any Union, really. Mutually assured destruction didn't begin in the Cold War.

It's not fun, but that's the only way women can live safely and comfortably, which is why we do this whole society thing in the first place.

@boob @georgia Agreed, the world is not nice, we make it nice-ish through properly applied violence. Undoing civilization simply removes the stool holding in place the carefully balanced violence, turning it from relatively positive to nightmarish.

Our world is built on social contracts, "I don't hurt you if you don't hurt me". On paper, emancipational feminism sounds really good. In practice, it's an absolutely suicidal idea. The very bottom barrel is that men need women to not have the species die within 80 years (though to be fair that is the case for women too), while women need men to not die from violence, as there's no point in witholding destructive impulses and the drive for unethical pleasure if you're doomed to extinction anyway. We've always needed eachother to not burn within a generation, and always will be, we're a binary species meant to cooperate in good faith.

There's also the argument of, without men, women being enslaved by other women that see the profit in capturing others to then sell to men since reproduction is a need. Kinda like how Africa screwed itself with slavery and realized they had made a big fucky wucky when there was no way to go back.

@nerthos @boob
So are you guys saying that the iron fist of law and order (as enforced by judge dread) is the only thing stopping your from raping someone today? Or is it the classic "the inhuman scum of this cursed world (<- not me) will ruin everything, if I, the righteous descendant of the heavenly angles (<- me), don't keep them at bay with my holy might".

@georgia

@namark @nerthos @georgia It’s not just law, it’s also social accountability. But that only works internally. The rape threat comes from agitators outside of a community, historically. I recommend you take a look at the 3rd World for practical demonstration. (Hell, we aren’t that far out from the Mongol Invasions.)

@boob @nerthos
So pretty much the latter for both of you, as I understand. Not sure what 3rd world is, but I am in a country from the "other side" of the world (spooky), where there is currently war, for no reason other than the "us and them" mentality that you guys also preach here.
@georgia

@namark
Nagorno Karabaj?

@boob @nerthos @georgia

@Elfie who cares? @georgia @boob @nerthos