remembering that time one of you guys said a man shouldn't have to pay child support if he testifies that he wanted the mother to have an abortion and that the lack of this option was indicative of systemic sexism against men and that women should have to pay child support for kids put up for adoption. that was fucking retarded.

@georgia Also
>party 1: I don't want this child so I will terminate it
>party 2: Nope, I want it
>party 1 has their way

>party 2: I don't want this child, can we terminate it?
>party 1: Nope, I want it
>party 1 has their way

This is logically inconsistent, party 1 wins both cases. However it is pretty morbid that one party could choose to damage the reproductive system of another (forcing an abortion), ergo the party should in the least have the right to forfeit parenthood

@thestrongest it's not logically inconsistent. the woman is the one gestating it.

"i don't want to gestate this child"
"no you have to"

"i want to gestate this child"
"no you can't"

not in the mood to talk to men who think their jizz contains full homunculi waiting to be cooked in a flesh vessel

@georgia That's just due to biology, the law seems pretty bent on making things "equal" these days, so in order to make the scenario "equal" either the guy should have some say in an abortion or he should have some say if he's to be held responsible

Besides, if the woman truly wants the child it shouldn't matter if she's getting a neat paycheck every month to support it

@thestrongest
the womb envy is strong in this one

@georgia Or even:
>two gay dudes decide to get a surrogate
>a month in they realize they aren't ready to be dads financially and emotionally
>surrogate says nope she's still making this baby and it's for them
>gay parents are forced to put him up for adoption
Great job

@thestrongest i'm not entertaining counterfactual thought experiments. if you can afford a surrogate you can afford a baby and a woman can't legally keep a baby not related to her which is the case with modern paid surrogacy

@georgia >if you can surrogate you can support a kid
Their house burns down, they lose their jobs, they have a medical emergency, etc. A lot can happen in nine months
>a woman can't keep a baby not related to her
So they CAN force a woman to have an abortion?

@thestrongest i'm not an expert in surrogate law, maybe they can't force an abortion because muh natalism but she can't keep it.

@thestrongest well she can't keep it against their will. if they don't want the child she could keep it which presumably she would. but none of these things happen, people seeking surrogates don't change their mind. it's not a split of the moment decision.