Screw that...👎
I don't see the need to get a new phone 📱 every year.
Get over it: you need to upgrade your phone every year now. I prove it
@randynose Lol, I've had my OnePlus One for 5 years, and it'll probably last at least one more, maybe 2 or 3.
So, that's 0.19 per day, 0.13 if I keep it two more years.
What do people do with their phones to need the new model??
@Matter @randynose I just got a Pixel 4a after having my OnePlus 6t for over 2 years, longest I've had a phone. Changed the charging port and antennas out. After last opening, changing the charging port, I spidered the back screen. Antennas went again and if I would have taken off the back screen again I would not have gotten it back on again. Only reason I got a new one device
What's needed is forcing manufacturers to stop providing devices that can't be repaired, starting with the battery. Another annoying thing is the impossibility to upgrade the OS on most Android phones.
I know in the States the idea that "the free market will regulate itself" is popular, but it simply doesn't work, the evidence is there for everyone to see. 🙄
@obi @Matter
@normand @Matter @randynose won't ever happen. If your phones aren't outdated or break, their profits won't be high. What's the alternative to the free market tho? Gov't regulation? They will just regulate them into prices of shit
The EU has proven time and again that government regulation is effective in reining in big companies. It's just that the US political system has been bought off by the lobbies, and the population brainwashed to think this is normal.
@Matter @randynose
@normand @Matter @randynose OK, so how is the cell phone industry better in the EU? Seems the same
@obi @normand @randynose thank the EU for having one charging port instead of a gajillion. We wouldn't have seen the end of that for a long time otherwise.
More recently, in the EU, you can choose your search engine on setup.
@Matter @normand @randynose anybody can choose their search engine, and its not hard. I don't get what you mean about the charging port. Sorry, I'm confused
You think people will choose their search engine on their own? They don't even know anything else exists. Google has even become a verb synonymous to search.
The same thing happened on the PC in the early days of the Internet. The EU forced Microsoft and computer makers to give EU users the choice of their default browser (this was only effective in Europe). Without such a measure, we may still all be using Internet Explorer. I obviously exaggerate, but still.
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@normand @Matter @randynose does a blind man really care which brand water he drinks?
@Matter @normand @randynose I agree, attack the data collection, not force an arbitrary choice. How do we decide which choices in search engine that they have? Give them 3? Which 3? Top 3? Best 3? How and who decides which ia best? All search engines? That would be a long selection, and who decides which order they go in? Who decides which are best? Some corrupt suit in an office? All they would do is choose on brand recognition anyway, cuz they don't know anything. You can't help people who don't help themselves. Their are choices, but they have to make a conscious (minimal) effort to decide which one they want. I think our fundamental disagreement is that you think government knows best. Maybe because you believe they are an extension of the people. They should be, but definitely aren't.
@Matter @normand @randynose what I am trying to say is fix the problems. If Google is raping you for your data, saying that we should have more choices on who rapes us is not the answer. Stop the data rape itself.
Agreed. But how to do it? Individuals cannot do it on their own. Which is why I mentioned government regulation. It does not always produce good results, I'll admit. But what other choice is there? We cannot expect companies to self-regulate. It's stupid to think they will.
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@normand @Matter @randynose I'm on board with government regulation of data collection. Absolutely. Its secretative, invasive, and most people don't even realize it occurs. I'm not on board with forcing companies to opt into a search engine, by an arbitrary selection of competing search providers, when people can do it manually now. If there wasnt a way to switch your search, my response would be different, but my 7yr old switched hers by herself on her most recent laptop.
@obi @normand @randynose you're arguing against yourself here, no of course people don't care and that's exactly why the defaults matter, why we should *make* them care, *make* them choose explicitly for Google if they want to use it, but letting them be the default just guarantees that all the data is leaked to a hostile oligarchy such as the US.