I dislike that language acquisition often involves saying aloud a lot of sample sentences that are not true.

My husband does not live in Osaka!

My aunt's book is not on the table!

Lies!

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@brainwane The comprehensible input people apparently agree with you, since they think you basically don’t talk at all until you basically know the language 😛

comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wi

@brainwane I have been learning Spanish with Dreaming Spanish last 6 months or so and I do sorta see where they are coming from on waiting to acquire a lot of the language before speaking. With ~400 hours of Spanish, I am comfortable enough understanding the language that I have noticed a bunch of things about the pronunciation and differences in accent that I am sure I would have to consciously change if I had been speaking from the start.

@pganssle I looked at the Dreaming Spanish page and I see zero attention paid to the *truth value* aspect of saying sample sentences. But I appreciate the pointer anyway

@brainwane Oh I was half-joking anyway, but they don’t care about the truth value of saying sample sentences because they don’t think you should say sample sentences at all. The whole idea is that you listen to increasingly complex but naturally spoken language, and over time your brain learns the language, without output.

Eventually your brain has a solid model of the language and a broad vocabulary to call on, so when you start talking you basically have natural conversations rather than staged interactions where you ask about where the library is or whatever.

It’s not a monolithic movement, but I do get the impression that a lot of CI proponents actually see it as a real feature that you are having normal conversations where you are talking about your own life and the things you want to know, and implicit in that is that the amount of “lying” you do is going to be roughly the amount of lying you do in your normal life.

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