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Your instance can block them. Looks like it doesn't block very many, though:

mastodon.cloud/about/more

But Mastodon as a whole is just a software project that's freely redistributable. It's effectively impossible to stop an instance from being created which allows anything. Other instances and individuals can refuse to federate with them, and that's basically how that's handled.

@pieist @kissane If it's impossible to exclude them completely--then it needs to be made possible. How about if they move in on your block, where you live, and start passing out leaflets about murdering Jews on your street. Would you be cool with it? But--! Freedom of speech!

@JohnShirley2023 @kissane

Other instances can shut them out. The bigger, better known ones tend to cooperate on this, particularly the ones operated by Mastodon project.

But unfortunately as Erin points out, there are no controls on who downloads open source software -- there almost by definition can't be.

@pieist @kissane There needs to be a sort of kill switch in the software. If some instance is running Nazi propaganda and endorsements of violence against black, brown, and Jewish people, then that kill switch could be activated. if they have to redesign at great trouble, then let them begin. Fuck. People do not understand how powerful lies have become in the age of the internet. They're hugely magnified. And they lead to murders.

@JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane it's time for you to leave the fediverse. you have just found a great reason. go watch your roku instead and forget about this place.
fuck off, if people being their genuine selves is cause for concern then you don't have to interact/force them to do shit. everyone just wants to be left alone not chased and harangued for some jokes they're sending to their retarded friends.
> There needs to be a sort of kill switch in the software.
This person wrote "Cyberpunk" fiction in the 80s and 90s btw
@JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist @JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane "whoever invented paper needs to redesign it so its impossible to draw swastikas on it"
this is what you sound like
> mandatory kill switch in OSS so people don't die
Honestly, you can't make this shit up.
These are the people in the EU and US legislature trying to "protect" everyone from the Internets. They have no clue, ignore everyone telling them so and still they insist to believe they "understand the technology".

There's generational gaps and there's plain hubris
@JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane Go suck a shotgun.

You can put a kill switch in my software after prying my cold dead fingers from it.

I would literally fight you or anyone else to the death to prevent you from doing this to any software I run.

> And they lead to murders.

What leads to murders is people trying to control things that aren't theirs. Come to my house, and lay a single hand on my computer and you will be a dead man cut up into little small meat cubes in my freezer.
@graf @jeffcliff @JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist I want that brand of vaccines he took that gave him a Jekyll/Hyde split personality
*Jeff with them promptly die of a heat attack from the vax clogging his veins.
@JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane You're a retarded, delusional faggot who is incapable of understanding free software and furthermore completely disconnected from reality. I suggest you leave fedi :bigchinwalt:

@Tadano @JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist No, i want to see this faggot design his own software that runs on mastodon that has the things he’s calling for.

Oh, he’s not capable of that? well then I guess he’s gonna have to deal with me having the ability to call him a niggerfaggot or whatever else I want to call him. :nkoShrug:

nothing can stop me or millions of others rightfully calling you a stupid nigger and theres nothing you can do about it ahahahahaha cope and seethe faggot
Is it a genuine concern of yours that someone is going to read something on the internet and then start planning to murder people as a result? Doesn’t that strike you as a little deranged?
Doesn't really check out with the crime stats either
Tbh, people forcing their censorship shit onto them is more likely to trigger some kind of violent response than just letting them read opinions
@Mackiavelli13 @Sui @JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist @bot they never brought it up, but you know someone on the Enterprise rode her slip n slide. it def wasnt Wesley
Exactly, sunlight is the best disinfectant. And neither side seems to understand that, they just push and push whenever they're winning. Which causes the counter swing of the pendulum to be even harsher against them next time.
@JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane ah yes real cyberpunk takes like "software should be able to have kill switches against people I don't like", as cyberpunk as "google should be able to use it's power to throw in jail people I don't like".

And I thought the body modification fetishism of Twitter users who call themselves cyberpunk was cringe.
Now there's a lie that's lead to all kinds of murders.
@JohnShirley2023 @pieist @kissane id like for you to consider that although this might sound nice conceptually, the reason that people design software in the way mastodon is designed is to make this impossible

if there's a kill switch, then there's someone holding the kill switch. your hope is that the person holding the kill switch has values identical to your own. but what if they don't?

@pieist @kissane Also evidently many instances don't bother to shut these guys out. I take it this instance, which appeared on my feed spewing hate (and by the way anti LGBT hate too), is KNOWN. If it's know, why wasn't it blocked from here?

@JohnShirley2023 @kissane

Founder Eugene Rochko has made a number of policy statements on what he will and won't blanket ban on the instances he controls. For example, he decided not to blanket-ban Gab, which is a right-wing site forked from Mastodon. I'm in no position to summarize his reasoning. Don't know much about who administers your instance. There's some info on his/her profile: mastodon.cloud/@TheAdmin

@pieist mstdn.social/@I_Choose_Exile@k mstdn.social/@kissane So you CAN blanket ban. Listen--suppose you happened to own a print shop, and sometimes when you're not using it you allow it to be used by the community for printing advocacy. Kind of, sort of, like open sourcing. If you found that one of those people was using your press to print antisemitic screeds recommending the murder of Jews and etc, flat out extremist white supremacism...would you continue to allow them to use your press?

@pieist @kissane "Oh yes, Mr Jones down the street hands out antisemitic posters and demands that synagogues be removed from the neighborhood and yes he bought a book on building bombs, I saw him reading it on the porch, and yes he has a roomful of guns, but...I choose to, you know, just block him. I dont speak to him. I ignore him. He's not there!"

@JohnShirley2023 @kissane In that situation, the company that manufactures the paper Mr Jones uses wouldn't be in a position to cut off his supply, and it really wouldn't fall to them to police him.

In the same way, Eugene Rochko literally cannot stop others from using his software. He can only say "I won't carry anything that comes from your instance and I might even go so far as to block other instances that do." But he can't stop them using it.

@JohnShirley2023 @pieist

Yeah that's pretty much how the internet actually works, outside the centralized sites that are presently letting nazis and their friends back on. Which is why we also support stronger laws and put pressure on hosting providers who host nazi servers, etc.

But I have to say, shouting at people who are trying to explain the infrastructure as though we don't know how nazis work is definitely a way to filter the people who will respond to you.

(I am myself tapping out.)

> But unfortunately as Erin points out, there are no controls on who downloads open source software -- there almost by definition can't be.

"Unfortunately"? You don't like that people can use open source software freely?

@Corfiot @kissane @pieist I do like that they can use it freely. But look, if someone crashes a car into a group of people on purpose--should we limit that guy's freedom? People are being hurt by this stuff, physically, in person--it's not just talk. It leads to violence. There can be some kind of kill switch only used on special occasions. Most people would be able to keep their download as is. Or there could be some form of vetting.

You realize what you're suggesting is totally authoritarian? Or is it authoritarily totalitarian? Anyway, pre-emptively curtailing people's access to OPEN SOURCE software is pointless because they can change the source to bypass any restriction. You can't muffle all kids in school just in case they mouth off at the teacher, that's not how it works and you know it. You're just morally outraged and are not thinking. Start thinking.

@Corfiot @kissane @pieist I am aware of all these considerations. I don't think it's authoritarian to want to keep Holocaust-denying Nazis --literal Neonazis endorsing violence against Jews and blacks --from using this system. I agree there's not a real clear way to do it yet. But we do have report "buttons" here, there is the option of a "blanket ban" apparently--how does that work?--and more people can become interested in cooperating on banning these people.

You keep saying you know, you understand, you're aware but you're not. In addition to that, you're clearly biased in what you are after. There's many people advocating violence, including trans activists, antifa and just plain schizos. You can't protect people from other people in a social network. Even the big networks failed at this, the only way is to educate and broadcast so people are not blindsided by "evil". By disconnecting people from one another in "cooperation" you are destroying the network. In which case, just get off it.

@Corfiot @kissane @pieist Ohhhhh I see where you're at, citing those dangerous "trans activists" --I'll just say there's such a thing as cutting out a cancer to save the patient.

You're the patient. The network's fine. You're the one being outraged and complaining, just go back to where you came from. You're not cut out for this. Go join mastodon.art or something and share the hugs
@corfiot @JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist I'm a schizo advocating for violence against antifa trannies, how can I help?
@JohnShirley2023 @kissane @pieist @JohnShirley2023 @corfiot @kissane @pieist Ladies and gentlemen I present to you one of the first cyberpunk authors advocating for a kill switch *on open source software*

You either die a nobody or live long enough to to have a boomer induced aneurysm on your keyboard.
This guy is lowkey admitting he's been a giant fucking poser his entire life.
@Hoss @Dozu @JohnShirley2023 @kissane @corfiot @pieist
Seems like it. I found this blast from the past not too long ago and everything in it is practically the polar opposite of what this guy is whinging over not having.

https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/the-cyberpunk-movement-by-pazuzu-for-dna-may-12-1993.4771/
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