@marti @rebeccawatson I think what you mean is: you can't fix all the things, even the important things, with a single vote. And that's definitely true. You can't really stop Israel from doing genocide if they're _really_ into it, unless you're willing to invade it. You can't just fire all cops and start from scratch. But you can gradually improve things with a lot of effort.

@pies untrue. The USA could withhold arms and 3.8 billion in military aid. Jesus fucking CHRIST! They haven’t “fixed” anything I’ve mentioned! They’ve actively made things worse.

Honestly I’m fucking done with people who claim to be about reason and logic (including RW), but engage in the same rhetorical bullshit that theists do.

Please stay out of my mentions.

@marti Feel free to block me if you like. Stopping aid discourages Israel and I also think it should have been done a long time ago. Presumably it's the election that's preventing it. And I don't think Democrats are great, I just think Republicans are far worse.

@pies you’re right in that Republicans are worse than Democrats in terms of policy, but they are the same in terms of action. From the beginning of this, that’s why I’ve said that voting doesn’t matter. If Republicans are fascist, then Democrats are fascist enablers. It’s why the Overton Window has been shifting right for almost 5 decades via he ratchet effect.

@marti I would say Obamacare is better than lowering taxes for the rich. Gay marriage is better than invading Iraq. They don't do the same things. There is a difference.

@pies you would say that. I’m guessing the 8k-16k civilians he droned to death would disagree.

@marti Who's "he"?

@marti Well, you do you, but if you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans in what they do and intend to do I think you're either not serious or only considering very few specific - and important - issues. Either way I don't think this conversation can change it.