There's an image going around that is the back of a $20 with the demolition in progress, and every time I see it my finger hovers over the share button, then I think, "there's like a 90% chance that this is 'AI' crud and not a Photoshop" and I die a little inside and do not share.
This is what they have stolen from us.
@jwz Does the craftsmanship of the meme matter or the message?
I think in this case well-prompted AI enables more people to relay their message -- it's not replacing art or trying to deceive.
@alexr Yes, the medium matters. Anyone using "AI" is as piece of shit, and yes, they are trying to replace art, and yes, they are trying to deceive. Fuck them entirely.
@jwz @alexr
I completely disagree. AI is a tool, if properly used it allows people to express themselves in ways which may not have been previously possible.
Someone may have a wonderful idea for an image, but not the ability to make it himself; I see nothing wrong in using a tool which simplifies doing that.
AI is not replacing art, if anything AI is an additional tool which can be used to make art.
That would be like saying that since electric guitars exist there is no more classical music, which very much is not the case.
@rastinza @jwz @alexr absolutely pushing back on "ability to make."
Everyone has the ability to make an image to convey their ideas. EVERYONE. Not all can do it 'a la mode commercial' however. That's what AI sells; the commercialized form as the only valid form. It's wrong, it's evil, and it hurts everyone who uses it.
@ike_seblon @jwz @alexr
Sure, everyone has the ability to make things. I agree with that.
I'm not sure what you mean by commercial form however. You can use AI to make many different things. I do not think that AI can only be used to do one single type of thing, depending on who uses it different outcomes may be obtained.
Some people are very good at ink drawing and others are good at drawing on the computer. Switch them around and possibly don't do as well and get frustrated. Is the person drawing on the computer evil because he does not use an ink pen?
I do not see what is evil of one person trying to make something nice using AI. Maybe even trying to convey an important message. I really do not see why that should not be considered an artistic endeavour.
@ike_seblon @jwz @alexr
The prompt itself often has no communicative value.
Should I give you all the SVG commands or you'd rather see the rendered image?
Why would AI devalue or damage humans communication abilities is unclear to me.
AI is a tool, it tells you nothing. It is not there to inherently attempt to make your life worse. Using AI does not mean you're incapable of doing things. It means you are able to do certain things using AI as a tool. You're not incapable of writing because you use a keyboard rather than a pen.
Indeed I agree it can be misused, in some cases it may even be dangerous for some people. I'm thinking for example at people using chatbots as substitutes for psychologists.
What I don't understand is why a proper and constructive use is not conceivable to you.
@rastinza I cannot, we cannot, possibly want to see the result less. We would prefer that you post images of your bowel movements. Your "result" is worthless to everybody. Your lack of understanding on subsequent points is bizarre and appalling. You are absolutely wrong on fundamental levels.
@ike_seblon
I see AI as a tool.
I am missing your point I'm sorry. I tried to argument my opinion in a clear way, maybe I failed.
I really do not understand what you mean by my lack of understanding and being wrong on fundamental levels. It is a bit offensive to be treated this way.
I feel like this chat is not really going anywhere at this point. If you wish to explain a bit better what you mean by that, that may help.
I'll reiterate: why is a constructive and artistic use of AI not conceivable?
@rastinza @jwz @alexr look. The AI is the evil. The evil is that it DEVALUES the user's innate ability to communicate meaning which is the inheritance of all humans. AI tells you that you are not human enough to create meaning without its help; by using it YOU AGREE. It is robbing you of the experience of creation. Anyone who uses AI is telling everyone else "I am incapable", anyone who advocates it is saying "you are incapable too". In short, just post the fucking prompt, human to human.