Look, when computer science departments have some of the worst learning outcomes of any department on campus maybe they SHOULDN'T be elevated as the experts on how students should "learn with AI" with the only reason being "computers"??? Just saying. I will gladly listen to the absolute heroes in CS who HAVE centered teaching and ARE incredible teachers but I guarantee their colleagues aren't.
@grimalkina I didn’t know that about CS departments at unis. Anecdotally it makes sense though - could it be a contributing factor to why so many professional software developers are self taught?
I also didn't know that and am wondering how widespread that is (both geographically and for CS-adjacent departments like ones that teach robotics or computational math).
@robryk @trenner overall the "math-associated" fields in STEM trend together on this with strong exceptions in fields that have a lot of gender diversity like biology, but CS sometimes does its best (culturally speaking) to kill that by taking over authority on computational courses and thereby shutting out all the students who were otherwise getting an access point. Quite documented phenomenon that "programming in x discipline" massively changes student coverage vs CS-located courses