@11112011 Don't take it bro....DONT.....


@skells

@Prodigal @skells dont get into personal choices bro im not telling u to take it

@11112011 fair enough, just don't want you to die.

Who's going to make stock market posts if your gone?

Who's gunna bless the timeline? Oh yeah, Chrissy.


@skells

@Prodigal @11112011 take it if you like, no one's gonna stop you

but would you buy a stock before doing the research? or would the companies marketing material be enough for you?

@Prodigal @11112011 it's not about when the jab apocalypse comes, it's more

"what are the odds of the jab causing harm to me compared to the virus?"

I've been sceptical since day one, decided against it despite friends and family pushing

Steadily data started coming out, some concerning, some less so

But it's all trended in one direction: the jabs are less effective than touted and far more dangerous than has been admitted.

At this point the vaccines look like they're doing more damage than good whichever way you slice it and for all age groups.

If you want to bury your head in the sand because the alternative is too awful to contemplate go ahead, but everyone in my life is vaccinated and I looked at the data.

I hope I'm fucking wrong. Hopefully the worst events are rare and short term.

But it doesn't look good.

@skells @Prodigal ill up date u when it rolls out, for now i take u just hoping family dies for u to get the goods:-) https://www.expatica.com/pt/news/covid-19-portuguese-vaccine-ends-trials-with-high-safety-and-efficacy-100413/

@11112011 @Prodigal my parents are too old for long term to have much effect hopefully, it's my siblings/friends I'm worried for

@skells @Prodigal heard we may even sell it to u, if u guys ask nicnely, god rumours here in fish town

@11112011 @skells @Prodigal more noteworthy than the vaccine itself, and its success, which is pretty noteworthy, is this little bit

> “After infection with a lethal virus inoculum"

which leads to

> GMP-produced SARS-COV-2 Wild Type Strain

which leads to

https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-improving-research/application-summaries/research-summaries/sars-cov-2-characterisation-study-covid-19/

ie this is koch postulate-complete

@11112011 @Prodigal @skells #kochpostulates

@jeffcliff @Prodigal @skells let em talk

@jeffcliff

You sure you posted the correct link?



@11112011 @skells

@Prodigal @11112011 @jeffcliff yeah I have no idea where you're going with this Jeff 😅

@skells @Prodigal @jeffcliff ok down on the list 1st selling to brazil and angola

@11112011 @Prodigal @jeffcliff y brazil

@skells @Prodigal @jeffcliff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9XHsctOtc

@skells @Prodigal @11112011 there have been more than a few threads over the past 2 years where people are claiming SARS-Cov-2 has not been isolated, and that the koch postulates have not been completed

but this study required that this happen

@jeffcliff

Your logic is correct, it would have required it to be present, but ..."isolated"? Not really.

For viruses to "survive" they need to be necessarily stored with bacteria, cells, something that helps them to replicate I think.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/microbiology/chapter/isolation-culture-and-identification-of-viruses/


So whatever culture they are in, it has to be be also proven that the culture does not cause sickness as well.

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All that to say, it's interesting that this Mr. Chiu and the CCP are the only entities that I know of who have claimed to isolate the virus.

Yet hundreds of other entities have never done the same...

https://theexpose.uk/2021/05/18/hundreds-of-fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-covid-19-isolation-purification-anywhere-ever/

@skells @11112011

@Prodigal @jeffcliff @skells THERE IS NO JAB APOCALIPSE TIME IS NOT ON UR SIDe........

@11112011

You are correct, the Jab is not about death, its about control.



@jeffcliff @skells

@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
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@Prodigal @11112011 @jeffcliff

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells

> For viruses to "survive" they need to be necessarily stored with bacteria, cells, something that helps them to replicate I think.

Incorrect. Viruses can last, as "living" as they ever were, outside of cells for a time, depending what they are exposed to. Sunlight, soap, and a few other things do bad things to them, but it *can* survive on some surfaces for quite some time.

See: paper vs plastic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7695943/

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells however
just because the viruses can survive doesn't mean they can do so in sufficient viral load to be a problem https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2.pdf

@11112011 @Prodigal @skells but this stuff has *direct* implications to my day job, as we currently have policies (that i could have a hand in modifying) that assume that 48 hours should be enough for both paper and plastic

@jeffcliff @11112011 @Prodigal I think you have to be pretty loopy to think that covid doesn't actually exist

Chinese bioweapon and rushed vaccines too mainstream for the conspiracy hipsters

@skells

There are many many many many coronaviruses. Some deadly and some harmless.

Let's say Covid-19 does actually exist EXACTly as the common narrative says.

You know what's a big problem???

The fact that flu cases flatlined last year.

Both airborne, both contagious, yet one absolutely flourished under lockdown conditions (Covid) and the other was stopped dead in its tracks (influenza).

Something doesn't add up.

People like, doctors lie, politicians lie, antivaxxers lie, conspiracy theorists lie....

Math doesn't.

@jeffcliff @11112011

@Prodigal @skells @11112011 shutting down international travel by 99% may very well do that

it's something we haven't done since like 1939, and the first time we've done so with modern influenza surveillance tech

time will tell what influenza will do

@jeffcliff

That doesn't make sense, influenza is already endemic.

It's everywhere...it had nowhere to travel to.

Meanwhile Covid-19 was allegedly "novel" and hence it had to spread.

Follow the math.

@11112011 @skells

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff Its everywhere but it burns itself out quickly and relies on a continual supply of new victims to allow its chain of mutation 2 successfully bypass our immune systems
ie
particular, successful variants of influenza *do* travel - they start on one end of the world, and wash over the whole of the world. We don't have the full picture of the 1918 flu, but we do know that it hit a particular place in france and then went all over europe from there for example

@jeffcliff

While this is mostly true, we have to account for the fact that when our immune system is working normally, it keeps viruses and even polyps in check.

When we disrupt the balance (low sunlight - low vitamin D in winter months, less drinking of water etc.) Our immune system weakens and different viruses etc take hold and sicken us and cause spread.

There is a reason we have seasonal flu...its been here the whole time, just dormant...and its changing genetic material gives rise to strains as it spreads from person to person, during flu seaons and outside of it.

No need for aeroplanes to help that process at all.

Winter 2020 so many Canucks had the flu and were process as having something else.

This is one of the reasons why the PCR test is being sidelined for better Covid tests, CDC said it can generate many false positives.

That alone is cause for saying that there MUST have been influenza misdiagnosed as covid.

After all, this list of symptoms for covid and influenza have significant overlap.



@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff

>it keeps viruses and even polyps in check.

normal ones, sure

specifically designed bioweapons? not so much. your immune system doesn't do much against sarin, either.

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff

> No need for aeroplanes to help that process at all.

airplanes de facto increase the density of possible suceptibles

The flu can spread from anywhere in the world to everywhere else in the world in around month. Without planes it has to survive a passenger liner or a zeppelin or something trip, which is still possible but slower.

> the PCR test

there are more than one of those

@jeffcliff

Good point:

>specifically designed bioweapons?

So should Trudeau use your tax dollars to pay for your vaccine?

Or should he be demanding that Fauci and the Govt of China do so?

Why have you done NOTHING wrong and you have to bear all the risk and inconvenience???

@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff

@jeffcliff

Follow the math. . .



@11112011 @skells
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@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff that does require an explanation, but perhaps not much more of one than asking why if you measure a circuit with 2 resistors in series why the voltage that crosses R1 is roughly the same as R2, minus a little bit, every time

ie because there's travel in/out of these countries through most of the graph

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff also worth pointing out

sweden hasn't been doing a good job of counting cases, and it's a national scandal https://shitposter.club/objects/452e3489-cbc7-4aed-aba9-c6b5a88a67d9

@jeffcliff assuming that is true, how does that explain Florida?

Is Florida lying too?

Even if the numbers are hokey, Sweden and Florida realize the wisdom of encouraging natural immunity and not vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic to cause numerous strains to show up.

That was predicted by Yeadon, Bhakti, Montagnier and other world experts.

No one listened.

Now niggas on a booster train that's gunna be so long, their Covid vaccine will have more sequels than Fast and the Furious...(or at least Police Academy..)

@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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@Prodigal @jeffcliff @11112011 @skells
> Even if the numbers are hokey, Sweden and Florida realize the wisdom of encouraging natural immunity and not vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic to cause numerous strains to show up.

florida is a textbook example of basically murdering your own people for political gain. Florida cycles in and out of the top cases list, and with it has come many thousands of unnecessary deaths.

sweden's lasseiz faire attitude, similarly, is a major scandal in sweden - because it has lead to unnecessary death and suffering and people there know it by t his point

'natural immunity' to deadly diseases like covid come with mass casualties and injury. We don't want 'natural' immunity to polio, or covid - we want to do something better.

@jeffcliff

So can you for sure say that Lithuania has heavy international travel from March 2020 to last month? Or even a yeah ago?

That's Jan 2020 to October 2021 you are looking at there.

I don't know about you, but I didn't think Lithuanian tourism was hire than Swedish.

Even in open borders mode Lithuania doesn't have as much action happening across its borders as Sweden.

You're gunna need a better null-hypothesis than that.

Or you can be my Sith Apprentice and together we can rule the Dominion of Canada with the wrath of math...up to you.

@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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@jeffcliff If you are going to store viruses for a study, you're going to isolate them and put them on a paper then?

@11112011 @skells

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells that part i don't know m,but you'd probably want plastic rather than paper

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells most likely : chilled-to-something-like-metabolic-frozen HeLa or whatever that genetically engineered mouse cell talked about in the above mamot thread would work better though

@11112011 @Prodigal @skells (HeLa : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lMrp_ySg8 )

@jeffcliff @11112011 @skells Yeah that HeLA would be the culture to keep the virions happy.

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff did it not work? There seems to be more than one study of that sort out there it's mostly just an example

@jeffcliff

The link loads. I see a research summary.

I see that the test subjects are inoculated with a GMP Produced Sars Cov2 wild strain.

What I am confused on is "GMP produced"

(see first pic for my interpretation of the meaning)

and why are we talking about a "wild strain" when we now know this was from a lab originally...

Do they mean they took CoV2 strain from a wild animal?

Finally, you mean River's Postulates need to be satisfied, which is Koch's postulates for Viruses...since Koch is for bacteria (pic 2).





@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff tell that to the people who have been demanding, since the beginning that koch's postulates have to be satisfied

that said kochs postulates are *not* specific to bacteria, though perhaps, there are (incl rivers) more appropriate measures to measure our understanding of things

@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff here's one example thread https://mamot.fr/@jeffcliff/106976331457351639 with
@konayuki