@Prodigal @11112011 it's not about when the jab apocalypse comes, it's more
"what are the odds of the jab causing harm to me compared to the virus?"
I've been sceptical since day one, decided against it despite friends and family pushing
Steadily data started coming out, some concerning, some less so
But it's all trended in one direction: the jabs are less effective than touted and far more dangerous than has been admitted.
At this point the vaccines look like they're doing more damage than good whichever way you slice it and for all age groups.
If you want to bury your head in the sand because the alternative is too awful to contemplate go ahead, but everyone in my life is vaccinated and I looked at the data.
I hope I'm fucking wrong. Hopefully the worst events are rare and short term.
But it doesn't look good.
> “After infection with a lethal virus inoculum"
which leads to
> GMP-produced SARS-COV-2 Wild Type Strain
which leads to
https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-improving-research/application-summaries/research-summaries/sars-cov-2-characterisation-study-covid-19/
ie this is koch postulate-complete
@Prodigal @11112011 @jeffcliff yeah I have no idea where you're going with this Jeff 😅
Your logic is correct, it would have required it to be present, but ..."isolated"? Not really.
For viruses to "survive" they need to be necessarily stored with bacteria, cells, something that helps them to replicate I think.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/microbiology/chapter/isolation-culture-and-identification-of-viruses/
So whatever culture they are in, it has to be be also proven that the culture does not cause sickness as well.
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All that to say, it's interesting that this Mr. Chiu and the CCP are the only entities that I know of who have claimed to isolate the virus.
Yet hundreds of other entities have never done the same...
https://theexpose.uk/2021/05/18/hundreds-of-fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-covid-19-isolation-purification-anywhere-ever/
@skells @11112011
> For viruses to "survive" they need to be necessarily stored with bacteria, cells, something that helps them to replicate I think.
Incorrect. Viruses can last, as "living" as they ever were, outside of cells for a time, depending what they are exposed to. Sunlight, soap, and a few other things do bad things to them, but it *can* survive on some surfaces for quite some time.
See: paper vs plastic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7695943/
@jeffcliff @11112011 @Prodigal I think you have to be pretty loopy to think that covid doesn't actually exist
Chinese bioweapon and rushed vaccines too mainstream for the conspiracy hipsters
That doesn't make sense, influenza is already endemic.
It's everywhere...it had nowhere to travel to.
Meanwhile Covid-19 was allegedly "novel" and hence it had to spread.
Follow the math.
@11112011 @skells
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff Its everywhere but it burns itself out quickly and relies on a continual supply of new victims to allow its chain of mutation 2 successfully bypass our immune systems
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particular, successful variants of influenza *do* travel - they start on one end of the world, and wash over the whole of the world. We don't have the full picture of the 1918 flu, but we do know that it hit a particular place in france and then went all over europe from there for example
While this is mostly true, we have to account for the fact that when our immune system is working normally, it keeps viruses and even polyps in check.
When we disrupt the balance (low sunlight - low vitamin D in winter months, less drinking of water etc.) Our immune system weakens and different viruses etc take hold and sicken us and cause spread.
There is a reason we have seasonal flu...its been here the whole time, just dormant...and its changing genetic material gives rise to strains as it spreads from person to person, during flu seaons and outside of it.
No need for aeroplanes to help that process at all.
Winter 2020 so many Canucks had the flu and were process as having something else.
This is one of the reasons why the PCR test is being sidelined for better Covid tests, CDC said it can generate many false positives.
That alone is cause for saying that there MUST have been influenza misdiagnosed as covid.
After all, this list of symptoms for covid and influenza have significant overlap.
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
>it keeps viruses and even polyps in check.
normal ones, sure
specifically designed bioweapons? not so much. your immune system doesn't do much against sarin, either.
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
> No need for aeroplanes to help that process at all.
airplanes de facto increase the density of possible suceptibles
The flu can spread from anywhere in the world to everywhere else in the world in around month. Without planes it has to survive a passenger liner or a zeppelin or something trip, which is still possible but slower.
> the PCR test
there are more than one of those
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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Winter 2020 so many Canucks had the flu and were process as having something else.
winter 2020 there was no influenza at all, there were 100,000s of influenza tests *in addition* to the PCR tests, and they came up dry.
> After all, this list of symptoms for covid and influenza have significant overlap.
So does covid and HIV
What influenza test???
People know when they have the flu...
The whole reason why a covid test was probably created was to differentiate between (1) Covid and (2) flu or cold.
I have never in my life see a flu test.
I don't even know why there would be 100k flu tests admistered anywhere.
This doesn't make sense.
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
> What influenza test???
The one that was being used before the pandemic, and after it started.
here's example data from them:
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/diseases-conditions/fluwatch/2018-2019/week51-52-december-16-december-29-2018.html#f2
> The whole reason why a covid test was probably created was to differentiate between (1) Covid and (2) flu or cold.
And it's standard practice during a SARS like outbreak to create a specific test for it
> I don't even know why there would be 100k flu tests admistered anywhere.
It was standard practice in canada, before and during covid
they literally check you temp, chest symptoms, ask if you have head...boom diagnose you with influenza...
*shrugs* @11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
In the absence of airline activity, you have an ENDEMIC virus that went to freaking Zero (like it took a vacation) and another virus with the same mechanisms of spread go from a Chinese epidemic to a pandemic.
What is good for the goose (flu) should be good for the gander (covid).
Meanwhile, Covid is so nice, that when you eat at a restaurant with your mask down and choke on your food, it won't jump to a nearby table and infect the patrons there....
Is that logical???
It's not even epidemiological...let alone logical.
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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What is good for the goose (flu) should be good for the gander (covid).
covid is more infectious, and easier spread than influenza. Delta 1000x so
You'd need to cut international travel by 99.9999% to get delta down
The more infectious a virus is, the less deadly it is...this is virology 101.
If a virus is deadly it typically ends the host before it can spread to another host.
Imagine walking down the streets of Toronto.."Oh look at the covid corpses on the ground!"
You would avoid them, slowing the spread.
So if a virus is highly infectious, it won't kill that many people.
It cannot be both ways.
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
> Is that logical???
No. And I look forward to seeing restaurants that have been open this whole time burning to the ground
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
Good point:
>specifically designed bioweapons?
So should Trudeau use your tax dollars to pay for your vaccine?
Or should he be demanding that Fauci and the Govt of China do so?
Why have you done NOTHING wrong and you have to bear all the risk and inconvenience???
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
>So should Trudeau use your tax dollars to pay for your vaccine?
better than most of whatever else he was going to do, but I'd pay for it out of pocket if i had to
> Or should he be demanding that Fauci and the Govt of China do so?
That is not the canadian way of doing things
> Why have you done NOTHING wrong and you have to bear all the risk and inconvenience???
Because that's my burden to bear. Sometimes we need to bear the costs of others mistakes, in order to keep the world from getting worse.
Nice nobility you got going on though. . .
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff that does require an explanation, but perhaps not much more of one than asking why if you measure a circuit with 2 resistors in series why the voltage that crosses R1 is roughly the same as R2, minus a little bit, every time
ie because there's travel in/out of these countries through most of the graph
@Prodigal @11112011 @skells @jeffcliff also worth pointing out
sweden hasn't been doing a good job of counting cases, and it's a national scandal https://shitposter.club/objects/452e3489-cbc7-4aed-aba9-c6b5a88a67d9
Is Florida lying too?
Even if the numbers are hokey, Sweden and Florida realize the wisdom of encouraging natural immunity and not vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic to cause numerous strains to show up.
That was predicted by Yeadon, Bhakti, Montagnier and other world experts.
No one listened.
Now niggas on a booster train that's gunna be so long, their Covid vaccine will have more sequels than Fast and the Furious...(or at least Police Academy..)
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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> Even if the numbers are hokey, Sweden and Florida realize the wisdom of encouraging natural immunity and not vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic to cause numerous strains to show up.
florida is a textbook example of basically murdering your own people for political gain. Florida cycles in and out of the top cases list, and with it has come many thousands of unnecessary deaths.
sweden's lasseiz faire attitude, similarly, is a major scandal in sweden - because it has lead to unnecessary death and suffering and people there know it by t his point
'natural immunity' to deadly diseases like covid come with mass casualties and injury. We don't want 'natural' immunity to polio, or covid - we want to do something better.
I think I know why.
Maybe - even with their long careers of puting the health of others first and taking vaccines to protect their patients, they know something is up.
Here is a Murse in Toronto speaking up...
Follow the math, look at all the evidence.
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
2021-11-04-At the protests of nurses and doctors in Canada.mp4
One health region in toronto had exactly 1 let go. A flat earther, no less. Saskatchewan's numbers are similar.
25k in quebec, 3k in BC, No one is getting let go in Ontario anymore except the 4 doctors on tribunal...
Many many many health care workers resisted and in ON and QC they won the fight against mandates.
The Quontario premiers effed around, and found out.
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
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Nigga what?
There were 1000 at one time in Toronto alone.
@11112011 @jeffcliff @skells
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and definitely not 1000 rns or doctors
So can you for sure say that Lithuania has heavy international travel from March 2020 to last month? Or even a yeah ago?
That's Jan 2020 to October 2021 you are looking at there.
I don't know about you, but I didn't think Lithuanian tourism was hire than Swedish.
Even in open borders mode Lithuania doesn't have as much action happening across its borders as Sweden.
You're gunna need a better null-hypothesis than that.
Or you can be my Sith Apprentice and together we can rule the Dominion of Canada with the wrath of math...up to you.
@11112011 @skells @jeffcliff
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There are many many many many coronaviruses. Some deadly and some harmless.
Let's say Covid-19 does actually exist EXACTly as the common narrative says.
You know what's a big problem???
The fact that flu cases flatlined last year.
Both airborne, both contagious, yet one absolutely flourished under lockdown conditions (Covid) and the other was stopped dead in its tracks (influenza).
Something doesn't add up.
People like, doctors lie, politicians lie, antivaxxers lie, conspiracy theorists lie....
Math doesn't.
@jeffcliff @11112011