@cjd @skells @GluedToTheScreen I'm talking about standards of naming things, not standards that you enforce.
You not calling dolphins "fish" because you have standards on what constitutes a fish doesn't affect said dolphin's freedom, or anyone's freedom to call dolphins "fish" and confuse everyone around.
@wolf480pl @cjd @GluedToTheScreen sure, but that doesn't make someone else having a different definition a strawman
@wolf480pl @cjd @GluedToTheScreen yeah missed that the arguments had forked
I think what cjd is saying is that the "standards of discourse" line will be weaponised by politicians with an agenda to control the flow of information
nonsucker/sucker debate beats truth/false debate once you're outside of the lab/notebook
@skells @wolf480pl @GluedToTheScreen
> nonsucker/sucker debate beats truth/false debate once you're outside of the lab/notebook
Bingo, you read Taleb.
Robust thinking = Being right even when you're wrong.
Chopping the Gordian Knot of "what is true" by skipping to "what's the robust decision" is not actually straw-manning - but nobody likes seeing their complex reasoning chucked in the trash.
@cjd @skells @GluedToTheScreen would be easier to notice if you didn't use reductio-ad-absurdum wheb doing it
@wolf480pl @skells @GluedToTheScreen
Instead of using academic language to communicate to the few, I make my arguments accessible to everyone, and let the big thinkers in the room translate it themselves 😉
making words articulating your ideas accessible to as many as you can is the most powerful weapon against the corpo boomers.
@cjd @skells @GluedToTheScreen adding "yes, but if you try to do that, it will inevitably derail into" would be enough to clarify that you're not trolling / misunderstanding my argument, and I don't think it contains big words.
It requires more typing so it may be tempting to omit it and assume the reader is clever enough to fill in the middle, but that's the opposite of accessible.
@cjd @skells @GluedToTheScreen also triggering other people's fight-or-flight mechanism does not help achieve a productive discussion
@wolf480pl @cjd @GluedToTheScreen no one is trying to trigger your fight or flight mechanism dude, it's all good 👍
@skells @cjd @GluedToTheScreen yeah people usually do it by accident / by not trying not to. That's why most online discussions are so angry
@wolf480pl @cjd @GluedToTheScreen it's easily done, most people are just whacking in a throwaway comment in between work or whatever
@skells @cjd @GluedToTheScreen no, strawman is when cjd argues that I adbocated for internet driving licenses