I kind of feel like once a government delegates itself the right build and use a nuclear bomb, it's already decided it can govern what you want to do with your body. this is not an endorsement, just like, it's pretty much decided it has ultimate power over everything at that point.

@Moon
dictating body stuff didn't start in the 40s ?_?

@shmibs before the 1940s it was "you want to regulate my body? you're an asshole" and after it was "well i guess it's decided it can do anything"

@Moon
e? how's that at all? like in the us vaccine mandates have been a thing since country began. and then laws about "can't kiss someone with the wrong skin colour" etc...

@shmibs i'm not saying it's new, i'm saying after you decide it has that level of power how do you go back and say it can't do certain things anymore. by the end of world war 2 the supreme court basically could have given up ever finding anything unconstitutional ever again.

@Moon
i guess i don't see any evidence of a time it wasn't like that, just doing whatever like "you are property, and your existence is illegal, and you are a subcitizen class with fewer rights

@shmibs @Moon In 1927, the Supreme Court ruled in Buck v Bell the State could sterilize people it didn’t see fit to reproduce. To quote Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes, “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

Then there is also the Japanese internment campus during WW2 (also upheld by the Supreme Court). Neither of these have ever been officially overturned by the way.

Jacobson did not force vaccinations, but it did force him to pay the $5 fine. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.

Honestly, we’ve been getting more freedoms and equitable entitlements now than during the past few centuries.

@djsumdog @Moon @shmibs women are still sterilized without their consent or knowledge evey single day in the USA

@vriska @Moon @shmibs Are you talking about the mRNA drugs or something else?

@djsumdog @Moon @shmibs I'm talking about literal medical sterilization done during/after childbirth on women who were either poor or in racial minority groups that was so widespread in the 70s 50% of native american women were forcibly sterilized, and it still happens to this day

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/