sim
It's strange how the conservative party in the UK has now become the party of the anywheres. I don't think it is in the interests of many MP's within the party to be conservative in the British sense, as in English for England, Scottish for Scotland, etc. To uphold the traditions and culture of those areas as those will be unique. They've embraced the melting pot and seeing Britain as a dream place to live...
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sim
It's also not in their interests to resolve the immigration problem. That is how more people like them stay in the country, how they find people like them.
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sim
I've just been thinking about why it is that what the people voted for hasn't been implemented, why it is that they aren't resolving the problems that the natives have. Things are much different than I imagined. Like I've been sold a pipe dream of what it is like in Britain.
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sim
I wonder if this is the fate of imperial powers, of Empires? I wonder how much of Rome had this problem with the rulers not being natives?
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skells

@sim Rome fell in part because they stopped respecting newcomers - after the Roman leaders they had Spanish, then Illyrian. They balked at Germanic and the Empire fell.

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@sim That being said, Britain is no longer an empire and the way forward, IMO, is more decentralisation and localism

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sim
@skells Yeah, although I fear that it may be too late without some deterrent. Something to convince non-natives that they are better off living elsewhere. That is if you think that traditions and culture are worth maintaining. Which I think they are, because otherwise we devolve into consumerism and identity politics. We don't have a clear idea of who we are as a people. Makes me wish that I was born into an African tribe sometimes, even though they know poverty... they are strong where we are weak.
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skells

@sim a good deal of that consumerism is fuelled by cheap money; people are floated above reality by monetary policy and have the freedom to experiment and take risks.

with the economy coming into a genuine slowdown people will be forced to husband their energies and get their feet back on the ground - with the added benefit of all the diversity we have seen join the country, fresh blood, fresh ideas are all good as long as they don't overwhelm the spirit of a country.

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sim
@skells Unfortunately, it comes at the expense of their future, and the future of any children or grandchildren they have.

I think that we have seen those fresh blood and ideas already overwhelming the spirit of this country. Not all of that diversity has been a benefit to us, certainly not to the young girls who are raped and then ignored. It's very frustrating. We may have also lost our talent to other countries because of the diversity we imported. It's a hard line to walk.
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skells

@sim agreed, can't say I'm impressed with much going on rn, important to Keep things in perspective in any case

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sim
@skells Yeah, sometimes it just feels like a hopeless situation to be in. All I can do is lament an ideal that probably never was, something we could have been but was taken from us. Don't know how things became so bad, how they can deteriorate so fast within a generation too.
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antichrist_hater
@sim @skells they disnt deteriorate so fast within a generation, systems built on false premises have been doing their thing for a long time and people just pretended it wasnt happening, now the consequences are undeniable, they still will try to deny them though.
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sim
@antichrist_hater @skells I get that, but at least in the UK it really seems like it didn't even take a generation to lose so much. There are people still alive today that experienced things that I never will now. For example, by centralising the police... we've lost a lot of community policing and the police houses in the villages that went with them. But yes, something really does seem wrong, like we are sick as a country. It's harder to deny even though some people will try.
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