Day 6 of the Kharkiv counter-offensive.

It seems Ukraine has crossed the river.

cc @PonyPanda

@dave good.

Is “good.” supposed to be “I’ve had a change of heart and want to see Russia lose”, or is it some belief that Ukrainian troops are going to get destroyed once they advance far enough?

@dave the hohols are now stuck up north in Kharkov. The Oskol river and the terrain west of it is difficult to traverse and Russians control the bridges fairly easily and it can be defended with minimal deployment which allows Russian forces in the north to move south. That's why they made a quick and clean withdrawal. But the Russians changed the rules and went Amerishart mode and started attacking energy infrastructure. Rail transport of Ukrainian troops and tanks is now in question. The southern offensive in Kherson that got felted won't be getting reinforcements. The only feasible way for Ukraine to advance is through Lyman and to Donetsk. And they'll likely be doing it with convoys with rail transport off the table. Convoys are nice juicy targets for Russians in their controlled territory in Lyman. Time is still on Russia's side as the rivers demarcating the frontlines get wider and deeper going into winter. Not to mention the strain on the energy grid with Russia now hitting energy infrastructure. And even if they do get Lyman... Wagner and the hardest Russian troops will be waiting in Donetsk.
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Quick and clean withdrawal

Retreat. The word you’re looking for is retreat. It’s not a withdrawal when advancing enemy troops force you to evacuate in lieu of dying.

The rest of this stuff

You are drinking the Russian kool-aid hard my dude.

@dave

> Retreat. The word you’re looking for is retreat. It’s not a withdrawal when advancing enemy troops force you to evacuate in lieu of dying.

Call it what you want. The fact is hohols traded blood for mud. And mud can be regained.

> You are drinking the Russian kool-aid hard my dude.

But you can't dispute any of that kool-aid because you're high off copium.

> But you can't dispute any of that kool-aid because you're high off copium.

"My team" is winning = "Copium"? Lol. LMAO even.

There's nothing to cope about when things are going your way. I've been giddy watching the massive gains these past several days. But you telling me how this was a "withdrawal" and how hopeless things are for Russia, when even Russian state TV admits that Kupiansk is a major logistical hub for the northern troops, and losing it will greatly hamper Russia's ability to supply them, is actual cope.

I'm going to give you a different prediction: that area in pink and red is going to keep getting smaller for a while yet.

And here's another tentative one for you based on some vagueposting from the people in the know that I follow: it's probably about to get smaller in the Kherson area too.

@dave yes. Kupyansk -was- important for supplying Russians in the Kharkov region. And now they are no long there.

And all the mud coloured blue will not recover blood which Ukrainians are losing a lot of. From the people in the know that I follow, Ukraine has lost 71% of it's fighting capacity.