@mindaslab does it mean it wasn't there, or that it isn't there elsewhere still? Not wanting it seems to be the norm (modernity is one of the West's ways of eradicating pesky traditional culture, Dravidianism is a manifestation of that).

Seems sad that one of the richest cultures (TN) is not appreciated by its own.

Practical aspects too get lost, TN gets rice from Punjab apparently!

@tetrislife we appreciate our culture, we don't want Aryans and aliens to be adulterating it. In time we will get back to our pure Tamil ways.

@mindaslab keeping Tamil culture is good to hear.

I don't see much evidence of either Aryans being aliens or Dravidians being unique; there is clear similarity among all South Indians, North Indians are different, North East people are different. And the Roma people in Europe are of Indian descent. And the Hakki Pikki tribe in India is of African descent.

I think the West focuses on differences (genes) instead of similarities (culture), because it has always been about divide-and-rule. Why play along?

@tetrislife Okay, if we are so similar, why not all Gods in India are worshiped by praying Tamil hymns?

@mindaslab I don't understand. Are you saying TN temples had worship in Tamizh from before the Dravidian movement?

I doubt either #samskrta or #tamizh were Western-like; they didn't annihilate, which is why you had all regional cultures flourishing, even with samsrkta in South India or Tamizh having a chance to enter North India, Cambodia etc. where the Cholas went.

@mindaslab it will be interesting if organic farming exponent Pamayan has anything to say about this. He has a great hold on Tamizh literature and language, and analyzes with an open mind. If you find a video, please watch and maybe point it out to me too.

@tetrislife Tamil was almost gone in Temples, the Dravidian Movement is rolling back 1000's of years of damage Aryan culture caused to us.

Well, please don't divert, you said our cultures are similar, then why not sing Tamil hymns in North Indian temples? Our cultures are similar, right?

@mindaslab what is the diversion? I asked about worship in Tamizh in temples, and you answered.

Also, you make it sound like Tamizh was driven out of temples before the Cholas. I don't know what to say to that.

Temple consecration rules themselves are in samskrta, so I don't know where the indicators of worship in Tamizh come from.

All indications are that Tamizh outside of temples is a really ancient culture, which everybody is proud of whether they care about samskrta or not.

@tetrislife Can you answer, why can't northern people pray to their Gods in Tamil? If you stick to your claim that our cultures are not different.

Please don't divert the topic.

@mindaslab what is the diversion? Do you want hymns in multiple languages to be sung everywhere? They are! samskrta and local language - Prakrit/Pali/Hindi, Gujarati, Marwari, Bhojpuri, Marathi, Kannada, Telugu, Tamizh. You can't have Tamizh hymns in Rajasthan, unless you want Marwari hymns in TN.

Maybe the Cholas weren't crusaders or jihadis, so Gangaikonda Cholan didn't force North India (or Cambodia) to switch to Tamizh or force Tamizh words into the local language. That was a good thing.

@tetrislife
Exactly, in the same way we can't have Sanskrit hymns in Tamil Nadu, that's not our language. We don't understand it. It must be driven out.

@mindaslab samskrta hymns are not built up into a problem in any state other than TN. All states have ancient cultures, which don't have any problem with samskrta. Local languages have been hit by English - kudos to TN and Kerala for not falling prey.

Without some temple consecration rules text in Tamizh, and a problem due to another Indian language, this rejection of commonality with the rest of India is baseless. When the US acts up like this, it is called American exceptionalism.

@tetrislife If other states want to kick out their individuality and welcome Sanskrit it's their choice. For us, our language is no less than Sanskrit, and we will kick Sanskrit out as it's not our language. Neither it serves any practical purpose.

I wish you stop building illusions that other states want Sanskrit, can you introduce me to someone who says his language is not fit for worship?

@mindaslab if you have temple consecration texts in Tamizh, then you can look down on our common language. Since you look down on Hindi too, it appears that you are actually against TN having commonality with the rest of the country. This is exceptionalism, and there are equally great local cultures all over the country who don't deny their commonality.

@tetrislife As free humans, we have the right to be diverse and exceptional.

@mindaslab becoming an exceptional speck by cutting away everything common with others is not human.

@tetrislife Having not the ability to appreciate cultures different from yours is savage and brainless. You are no different than Aryan Hitler.

@mindaslab he he, you are the one who wants to kick out everything else, but you are also lecturing me about understanding different cultures.

@tetrislife You are the one who want to impose your culture in lands that are alien to you. And you're having an Aryan mind who conducts cultural genocide are lecturing me.

@mindaslab it seems that you believe in binaries, that things are either this way or that way with no other possibility. This leads to illogical equivalences like "if others are not switching to samskrta or Hindi, they are against samskrta or Hindi". Obviously, people can be balanced and not make out everything else to be a problem.

@tetrislife we kick out the oppressor and their culture. We kicked out the Britis, now it's the turn of Aryans.

Learn history and know what's Indian culture and who invaded who.

@mindaslab you didn't kick out the British, they left after World War 2 after they had emptied the wealth here. But they left their influence in the hands of Dravidians, who have polluted the Vaigai and supported religious conversion as well as looting of community wealth in temples.

And you were saved from the Mughals by the rest of India, if you know geography.

What exactly is there to be proud of if you reject commonality with the rest of India?

@tetrislife Read history, they did not empty wealth here if they did we would have been richer nation. They stole wealth.

They quit India because Indians were failing to corporate with them.

@mindaslab empty the wealth FROM here is what I meant, obviously. They left all the other countries they had occupied in the same time period, and most of them didn't have freedom movements. Explain that.

They polluted education and governance, obviously. But after them, the Vaigai is polluted, temple wealth is misused, religious conversion has exploded. Explain that too.

@tetrislife so you mean to say there is no wealth in India, so all the corruption news about politicians, bureaucrats and business men looting the nation is bogus?

@tetrislife I also defer to the pollution of education. Certainly our education was not perfect, but it's with a similar public education system, Europeans rose to the top.

Education was certainly democratized, all caste people could learn. Even women were encouraged to learn, which is highly crucial for the development of society.

@mindaslab empty the wealth FROM here is what I meant, obviously. They left all the other countries they had occupied in the same time period, and most of them didn't have freedom movements. Explain that.

They polluted education and governance, obviously. But after them, the Vaigai is polluted, temple wealth is misused, religious conversion has exploded. Explain that too.