⭐ < doing work wiþout listening to music is incredibly difficult fsdjhdfhj ⭐
@Paradox Huh, I notice you're using the thorn-letter instead of th. Cool. I'm just wondering if it's really used there in 'without', I'd have thought it'd be used in 'that' 'there' the' etc, but not in the middle of the word? Isn't that pronounced differently?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just curious!
⭐ @trinsec < well it could be a [th] sound in wiþout ⭐
⭐ eiþer way, im using trollians auto-quirk feature to automatically turn [th] into þ, which is why for e><ample im not using eð for þe voiced ones ⭐
@Paradox Ah an automatic feature of your instance? Hehe cool. What is eð mean though? And what are 'the voiced ones'? I'm deaf, I've never ever once heard English pronouncation. :D
⭐ @trinsec < oh sorry ⭐
⭐ technically, if you look at þe history of þ and ð, þ has been used for þe sounds known as "voiceless dental fricatives" and ð for "voiced dental fricatives", which are basically boþ þe [th] sound but for one of þem, you use your vocal cords too to make þe sound ⭐
⭐ nowadays þeres not really a distinction between þem and people can really tell þe difference ⭐
⭐ þorn was used for longer þan eþ þo, and at some point þe "voiced" and "voiceless" sounds kinda merged i þink? þe distinction is less important ⭐
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⭐ i rlly like linguistics so i like talking about þis kinda stuff so i hope it made sense !! ⭐
@Paradox Aha, ð is eth? I must've misread it initially in that wiki page a little bit ago, thought it was looking like an o with an umlaut style. I need to increase my font size. >.<
Same fun stuff as when reading 'ye olde shoppe', it is actually the capital thorn, innit? So it's actually just pronounced like 'The' there. I like little weird details like that.
I suppose Dutch also has a few interesting letters like that. I don't recall the deprecated ones offhand, but in modern language we have the 'v' versus 'f', and 'ij' versus 'ei'. Except they're both very much in use despite sounding the same. I don't foresee one of those disappearing anytime soon, hehe.
@Paradox Well, verbal sound changes is a bit tricky for me, lol. But what I do understand after chatting with a linguistics teacher about 2 decades ago is that before Shakespeare, Old English pronouncation was eerily similar to Dutch. In particular Frysian. Then Shakespeare came and ruined it all with his newfangled Modern English. ;)
I still think English people (and Frenchies) can't spell... They write so very differently from what they actually pronounce! :P
Dutch is -largely- phonetic. ;) Not always consistent, but at least I can speak it, heh.
Spanish is the best sofar I've seen. I've seen 2 Spanish-speaking deaf people talking to each other. They could lipread each other bloody fast. Guess it's so very consistent with pronouncation that they can easily do that. Just an interesting bit of trivia there.
⭐ @trinsec < yea yea! þe þing wiþ english and french is þeyve never had a spelling reform, meaning while þe phonetic sounds kept changing, þe spelling system changed e><tremely slowly ⭐
⭐ a lot of oþer languages have had spelling reforms every now and þen, keeping writing consistent wiþ speech ⭐
⭐ @trinsec < a) yes, its [eth]! sorry i should have made þat more clear ⭐
⭐ b) i believe so! so its Þe Olde Shoppe, really, þey just turned þat into a y for some reason ⭐
⭐ c) þats interesting!! letter history is interesting, even þo i mostly like verbal sound changes personally :] ⭐