It’s 2023 and I’m astonished that so many intelligent religious people still make the bogus argument “without a there is no ” (or priorities, or goals).

Just this last week, on the :

“Even the things you believe in, only make sense if there’s a God. The only leap of faith I ever took was to say: ‘it’s better to give a beggar bread than it is to torture a child to death’. You can’t make that case without God. That case, once you believe that, you believe in God.”

Andrew Klavan

“As Western civilization becomes increasingly individualistic and anti-religious, […] that bleeds over into a secular world that was living off sort of the fumes of a religious society. But as those fumes dissipate, you end up with: ‘what do I do this morning?’ ‘how do I get up?’ ‘what is the moral obligation?’ ‘what’s in it for me?’ […] What makes you do the thing you don’t want to do? […] It’s three o’clock in the morning, your kid took a dump and now you have to change the diaper: what makes you get up, as opposed to just turning over and saying: ‘you deal with it, I’m going back to sleep’?”

Ben Shapiro

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